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[EU] Champions League 2007/2008 (24 Viewers)
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That is laughable. Vlatko and myself do not have anything against the Serbs. It is ignorant patriotic peasants like Barkuss that probably hate all the Serbs.In the match fixing scandals except from Juve participate and Milan and Fiorentina and other teams. But only Juve relegated. Wasn't Juve Italian team and all the others were?. I don't support the Italian teams because i am not Italian,but i support only Juve because i am Juventinian an nothing else. I don't care for the other Italian teams.
Sure an Italian team winning the cl is good for the Italian football, but Milan winning the CL or Inter is a huge damage for Juve because of the reasons I mentioned, Finance! That's the key word, all these things are being run by money, whoever has it more, has the better squad, it's no secret and not a small detail.
The success of Italian teams in Europe is good for the league's standing in Europe, because of the CL seeds and Uefa. Yeah but we are not in the position to think about that at the moment. We are in top 3 and we won't go down let's say the next ten years or more. I am mainly talking about not supporting Inter Milan and Milan and somehow Roma. Because these are our main rivals in the league, I don't want them to become stronger. But I would cheer for Palermo's success, Lazio's Parma's in Europe, I would want them to win the UEFA cup or CL if Juve fails, since they are not our main rivals, that would add quality to the league, and (secure) more points in the UEFA standing.
The best thing to happen for Juve is when Milan, Inter and Roma disqualifies from the group stages this year.
The success of Italian teams in Europe is good for the league's standing in Europe, because of the CL seeds and Uefa. Yeah but we are not in the position to think about that at the moment. We are in top 3 and we won't go down let's say the next ten years or more. I am mainly talking about not supporting Inter Milan and Milan and somehow Roma. Because these are our main rivals in the league, I don't want them to become stronger. But I would cheer for Palermo's success, Lazio's Parma's in Europe, I would want them to win the UEFA cup or CL if Juve fails, since they are not our main rivals, that would add quality to the league, and (secure) more points in the UEFA standing.
The best thing to happen for Juve is when Milan, Inter and Roma disqualifies from the group stages this year.
Not yet. I am waiting for club to get more members. Then I´ll join. there are really no advantages of being a member of that club yet. We can´t even watch Juve matches live together.
I have no problems seeing Italian clubs reaching quarter-finals, semi-finals or even final. But I am strongly against any other Italian team winning the competition other than Juve obviously. Good results of Italian clubs in Champions League will benefit us in some way but Juve definitely doesn´t benefit in any possible way if an Italian team wins the Champions League.
I have no problems seeing Italian clubs reaching quarter-finals, semi-finals or even final. But I am strongly against any other Italian team winning the competition other than Juve obviously. Good results of Italian clubs in Champions League will benefit us in some way but Juve definitely doesn´t benefit in any possible way if an Italian team wins the Champions League.
Ofcourse Inter doing well in europe will help Italian Football and the Serie A.Just like Milan,Roma etc being successful in Europe would do good to the Italian Game as a whole.Anyone who thinks otherwise is either in need of a few more braincells,or he/she is dating one of Turk or Badass or maybe even both.
Yeah, I know, this is a 2 way road. But look at it this way: If Juventus were doing good in Champions League also then we wouldn´t be too much concerned about the others cause we would be making the same profit as them.
Also, people say that it is important to keep the same number of CL seeds for Italy in order to keep 4 Italian clubs in the competition every year. But I think that also shouldn´t bother Juve too much if they were aiming for 1st or 2nd place every season in domestic league. I don´t think Italian clubs will ever get less than 3 clubs in the competition. This may be important for Juve now because we don´t have so strong team anymore to be certain to end in the first 2 places but 5-6 last seasons ago it didn´t matter much because Juve were always in the top 3. So, basically I agree with you, we shouldn´t be happy for other Italian clubs doing good at all. I know I´m not. I am happy Roma lost last night. I prefer Inter doing better than both Roma and Milan.
Also, people say that it is important to keep the same number of CL seeds for Italy in order to keep 4 Italian clubs in the competition every year. But I think that also shouldn´t bother Juve too much if they were aiming for 1st or 2nd place every season in domestic league. I don´t think Italian clubs will ever get less than 3 clubs in the competition. This may be important for Juve now because we don´t have so strong team anymore to be certain to end in the first 2 places but 5-6 last seasons ago it didn´t matter much because Juve were always in the top 3. So, basically I agree with you, we shouldn´t be happy for other Italian clubs doing good at all. I know I´m not. I am happy Roma lost last night. I prefer Inter doing better than both Roma and Milan.
Apply a cost-benefit analysis.
Benefit: UEFA points, Media attention for the league resulting in more TV money, and through the winning club, prize money which is invested in players, stadiums, training facilities,... It raises the level of the winning club and eventually of the league. We wouldn't be Juventus if our toughest opponents were Atalanta and Reggina.
Cost: Cheering (or at least not booing) for a team that you normally don't like/despise.
The benefit side is pretty much fixed, where the cost side will vary, depending on the team and the individual.
So I guess for most people here, Benefit > Cost for most of the team, so it's a good thing when Italian teams win in the CL, except with Inter. The cost of being happy when Inter wins is huge and will be bigger than the benefit, so it won't be seen as good in this case.
Benefit: UEFA points, Media attention for the league resulting in more TV money, and through the winning club, prize money which is invested in players, stadiums, training facilities,... It raises the level of the winning club and eventually of the league. We wouldn't be Juventus if our toughest opponents were Atalanta and Reggina.
Cost: Cheering (or at least not booing) for a team that you normally don't like/despise.
The benefit side is pretty much fixed, where the cost side will vary, depending on the team and the individual.
So I guess for most people here, Benefit > Cost for most of the team, so it's a good thing when Italian teams win in the CL, except with Inter. The cost of being happy when Inter wins is huge and will be bigger than the benefit, so it won't be seen as good in this case.
I see. People love to talk non-sense it is nothing new, but I thought someone really (lyrically) claimed that If Inter wins it is no good for Italian football.
and add to that we shouldn't worry of the 4th seed since we are one of the top three teams in Italy (maybe not this year, talking general). I would understand If Palermo or Lazio or Fiorentina supporters would cheer and dream of having 5 seeds for a CL. and not just that, it is a lame of us to expect/ask/support those teams success in Europe to improve the Seire A, why should we rely on others when we are the team to do that?
and add to that we shouldn't worry of the 4th seed since we are one of the top three teams in Italy (maybe not this year, talking general). I would understand If Palermo or Lazio or Fiorentina supporters would cheer and dream of having 5 seeds for a CL. and not just that, it is a lame of us to expect/ask/support those teams success in Europe to improve the Seire A, why should we rely on others when we are the team to do that?
probably he didn't mean that exactly, but I assume he made a protest to Inter for not having Italian players in the team, which is a different subject.
why Inter? :undecide:
I would only prefer Lazio to progress out of those.
If we really should support at least one Italian club here, then I want Inter and Lazio to do good and go far. I hope Roma and Milan choke in the group stage. How can anyone support Milan this season again? Do you want to see them winning their 8th trophy? 
I would only prefer Lazio to progress out of those.
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