I feel bad for Zola being sacked but atleast he won't take any part in that fiasco called West Ham.
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Stoke play to their strengths, just like Allardyce teams do.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
Other teams should man up and win some headers and compete physically instead of letting Stoke bully them and then whinging about it.
Looks that way.
I don't have a problem with teams that don't let us play out football by superior organization, or astute defending. Teams like Stoke however make the game look ugly and transform it into a wrestling contest rather than a game of football. Like I said, i reserve the right to wish them the worst and hope they get relegated.
"You cannot say it is football any more. It is more rugby on the goalkeepers than football.
When you see the way Shawcross kicked Heurelho Gomes, how Robert Huth pushed Gomes in the goal, you cannot say that is football anymore."
- Arsene Wenger
"You cannot say it is football any more. It is more rugby on the goalkeepers than football.
When you see the way Shawcross kicked Heurelho Gomes, how Robert Huth pushed Gomes in the goal, you cannot say that is football anymore."
- Arsene Wenger
Typical arsenal fan response. There are loads of ways to play football Fred, don't bitch because your manager prefers a physically light game full of passing that Stoke can counter through legitimate tactics. This is a sport not a pantomime and Stoke at least have the balls to play to their strengths not like attractive football clones like Wigan or Coyles burnley.
The attitude you seem to have about things like this is the actual disgrace to football. I've had it with this anti defensive pantomime crusade in football, fuck it and it's disciples. Football is ugly some of the time,that's the beauty of it. Wenger can fuck off with his rugby victim act, what a moany little bitch.
Ever heard of the invincibles? They had some balls, do you hate them too? They were among the dirtiest ant that's a fact
The attitude you seem to have about things like this is the actual disgrace to football. I've had it with this anti defensive pantomime crusade in football, fuck it and it's disciples. Football is ugly some of the time,that's the beauty of it. Wenger can fuck off with his rugby victim act, what a moany little bitch.
Ever heard of the invincibles? They had some balls, do you hate them too? They were among the dirtiest ant that's a fact
I'm not anti defense. You haven't read my posts if you think so. I would never wish a team get relegated just because they play a defensive style. I wouldn't enjoy it, and i probably wouldn't watch that team, but i wouldn't wish them relegation. A team that plays like Stoke however, with all the thuggery and dirty tackles, they're a pain to watch. Like i said before, they have the right to play however they want, but this particular style, one route football, throw ins, mix ups in the box, crowding the keeper, pushing people around, turning a game into a wrestling matchup, thats a style i will never appreciate nor respect. I don't deny them the right to play that way, but i wish them relegation as long as they play that way.
Defense and organization is an art in football, one that i don't particularly enjoy, but i still recognize it as an art. I will always appreciate a team that can defend like Inter did last season, or like United did a few seasons before. But the Stokes, Blackburns and co are everything that is wrong with the EPL.
Defense and organization is an art in football, one that i don't particularly enjoy, but i still recognize it as an art. I will always appreciate a team that can defend like Inter did last season, or like United did a few seasons before. But the Stokes, Blackburns and co are everything that is wrong with the EPL.
Legitimate tactics that are defensive in nature fall under defence.
You're pro defines when it suits, when it fits with your notion of what defending should be not what it is
As an Arsenal fan I would not detract kicking players off the pitch and gamesmanship, that was old arsenal,successful arsenal.
You're pro defines when it suits, when it fits with your notion of what defending should be not what it is
As an Arsenal fan I would not detract kicking players off the pitch and gamesmanship, that was old arsenal,successful arsenal.
I didn't support Arsenal back then, and we were not more successful under Graham, definitely not. For one thing, we weren't in the CL every season, and even when we were, we always used to get knocked out of the first round.
Either you don't know how to read or you're just ignoring what i said. My problem isn't in the defensive side of their game, i dare you to quote me and show me where i said i had a problem with Stoke's defensive side. If anything, i hate the way they attack not the way they defend. The route one football, the throw ins, the way they push people around and play dirty tactics in throw ins and set pieces is what annoys me most about them, not that they park the bus.
I can appreciate McLeish's Birmingham in the way they played last season, despite them being a lot more negative than Stoke. So as you can see, its not the defensive nature of Stoke's game that bothers me.
and again for the 100th time, i will put it in bold this time so you can't ignore it, i understand that its their right to play this rugby type football, i just think its a pain to watch, and would rather another team is there instead of them, so the EPL would be more enjoyable.
I'm on my iPod so quoting is a bit difficult but you're missing the point entirely. These aspects of the game whether use in attack OR defence aren't discraceful or alien (rugby being a different sport to football). My clear basic point has and always will be that the tactics are legitimate, enrich football through providing challenges and altering styles of play. Everything Stoke do that isn't a clear booking of course is a part of the game and just because it doesn't fit in with the mass marketed tally tally that you obviously enjoy, which is your peogative.
Mix-ups in the box and dirty tackles and general gamesmanship short of the other things you mentioned ie route one and crowding the keeper are active parts of the defensive game so stop a petulant brat
You said it was a disgrace not that it wasn't to your preference that's what you said. You're back-pedalling here which is typical of Arselona's all over the world. Any tactics that don't suit the Arsenal style of play Have no place in football, that they aren't entreating and so have no place in what is entertainment and clearly not a sport.
I enjoy heartily when alumina flaps at a delay throw and has a howler as do many fans when it's nit their team. I also enjoy debating football with people like you even with my poor reading ability
Mix-ups in the box and dirty tackles and general gamesmanship short of the other things you mentioned ie route one and crowding the keeper are active parts of the defensive game so stop a petulant brat
You said it was a disgrace not that it wasn't to your preference that's what you said. You're back-pedalling here which is typical of Arselona's all over the world. Any tactics that don't suit the Arsenal style of play Have no place in football, that they aren't entreating and so have no place in what is entertainment and clearly not a sport.
I enjoy heartily when alumina flaps at a delay throw and has a howler as do many fans when it's nit their team. I also enjoy debating football with people like you even with my poor reading ability
I'm on my iPod so quoting is a bit difficult but you're missing the point entirely. These aspects of the game whether use in attack OR defence aren't discraceful or alien (rugby being a different sport to football). My clear basic point has and always will be that the tactics are legitimate, enrich football through providing challenges and altering styles of play. Everything Stoke do that isn't a clear booking of course is a part of the game and just because it doesn't fit in with the mass marketed tally tally that you obviously enjoy, which is your peogative.
Mix-ups in the box and dirty tackles and general gamesmanship short of the other things you mentioned ie route one and crowding the keeper are active parts of the defensive game so stop a petulant brat
You said it was a disgrace not that it wasn't to your preference that's what you said. You're back-pedalling here which is typical of Arselona's all over the world. Any tactics that don't suit the Arsenal style of play Have no place in football, that they aren't entreating and so have no place in what is entertainment and clearly not a sport.
I enjoy heartily when alumina flaps at a delay throw and has a howler as do many fans when it's nit their team. I also enjoy debating football with people like you even with my poor reading ability
Mix-ups in the box and dirty tackles and general gamesmanship short of the other things you mentioned ie route one and crowding the keeper are active parts of the defensive game so stop a petulant brat
You said it was a disgrace not that it wasn't to your preference that's what you said. You're back-pedalling here which is typical of Arselona's all over the world. Any tactics that don't suit the Arsenal style of play Have no place in football, that they aren't entreating and so have no place in what is entertainment and clearly not a sport.
I enjoy heartily when alumina flaps at a delay throw and has a howler as do many fans when it's nit their team. I also enjoy debating football with people like you even with my poor reading ability
Its ugly football that ideally would have no place in football. Soon enough Stoke will get relegated back to where they belong and i'll be a happy man.
As for me not liking them because i'm an Arsenal fan. Bullshit, they'll give us a hard time, but we'll probably beat them again. If i wanted to hate a team as an Arsenal fan, i'd take a team that actually takes points of us. Stoke have beat us once out of the 4 PL games we've played against them, the other 3 ended in our favor.
