[ENG] Premiership 2009/2010 (13 Viewers)

[Salvatore]

Rooney has been horribly overrated on this page just a few posts above.

Who here honestly thinks that Rooney will carry United to the Premiership and CL title? He hasn't even won anything as a 'one man team' FFS. And people say he's perfecting the game better than Ronaldo.

 

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[Firestarter]

Rooney has been horribly overrated on this page just a few posts above.

Who here honestly thinks that Rooney will carry United to the Premiership and CL title? He hasn't even won anything as a 'one man team' FFS. And people say he's perfecting the game better than Ronaldo.

100%. Couldn't agree anymore.

 

[Fred]

Rooney has been horribly overrated on this page just a few posts above.

Who here honestly thinks that Rooney will carry United to the Premiership and CL title? He hasn't even won anything as a 'one man team' FFS. And people say he's perfecting the game better than Ronaldo.

Some people have no middle ground. I've defended Rooney a lot here, but the forum has moved from completely underrating Rooney to completely overrating him.

His form over the past 5-6 weeks is indeed a level above the rest of the Premiership, but he is in no way "much better" than Drogba or Fabregas this season. All 3 of those have been the best players in the Prem this year.

 

[Byrone]

Its attitude and manliness which set him far apart from drogba, for me, mate...Drogba, when happy is outstanding, and a handful for ANy defence...but when less than feeling pretty and adored, he is an irritating, whiney bitch, who falls over horribly easily. Rooney is superior in those areas. As well as a better passer, and playing for a considerably less solid team.

I don't think so.Wayne Rooney has a disgusting attitude & you can see it when a ref gives a decision against utd.In fact the manure team gets away with murder,in terms of bully tactics & unsporting behavior.Anyway which player doesn't act out when their team is on the verge of being eliminated from the CL?Sure he was extreme in the CL match against barcelona but there are way more moments where rooney confronted refs.

Rooney is currently the best player in the world. Considering his age, he would definitely be worth way more than Kaka and even more than Ibra.
As gutter pointed out, He is currently perfecting every aspect of the game even better than Messi and Ronaldo. If he continues uninjured i am willing to bet on him surpassing Ronaldo's best season at Manu, bearing in mind the quality of the utd squad back then was higher than now + all the injuries they are now suffering.
Rooney is currently a one man army and UTD are entirely dependent on him. Drogba is not far behind but he is supported by arguably the strongest midfield in the world and plays next to last season's top scorer. On the other hand, rooney plays next to berbaflop and is surrounded by arguably above average players at most + the clumsy defense that has only evra from the starting 4. .

So they depend on him to defend & dominate the midfield?

Rubbish as much as i hate manure,the one thing they have is team ethic & chemistry.Rooney wouldn't have those kind of stats if it weren't for his team mates.Look at the pace that manure operate at & the passing accuracy of the entire team.

Manure have always managed to stay on top despite departing with big names like beckham,CR7,van nistelrooy & stam.How is it they they were still winning titles when selling their best stars?You need to stop the rooney cockmongering.

 

[icemaη]

Rooney is really good. But best player in the world? Now thats funny.

 

[Tommy]

Business tycoon Mukesh Ambani and Sahara Group chairman Subrata Roy have reportedly set their sights on buying debt-ravaged Liverpool FC from their American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett Junior.
According to The Times, approaches for buying of ownership stakes in the club began as early as November and some preliminary talks have taken place.
Both Ambani and Roy have reportedly indicated that they are ready to pay off Liverpool’s 237 million pound debt in return for a 51 per cent stake in the club. However, Christian Purslow, the Liverpool chief executive, denied any knowledge of either bid.
Each deal requires that the present owners make a commitment to take no dividends or expenses out of Anfield for three years to allow the club to resume a secure financial basis. One of the potential owners has also indicated a willingness to allow supporters to take a 10 per cent stake in Liverpool.
A source close to Hicks and Gillett said that the duo would reject on principle any bid that left them with less than 50 per cent of the club’s shares unless it involved either of them selling out entirely.
A sale of more than half of the total stake would mean they would lose control of the club. It is understood that Liverpool’s banker, the state-backed Royal Bank of Scotland, is pressing Hicks and Gillett to cut their asking price.
The bank declined to comment, but a source close to RBS said that there has been plenty of interest in Liverpool from investors.
However, the source added, the owners are blocking all deals on the table because they refuse to budge on price. Roy, whose interest appears more serious, has been linked with ownership of one of the next IPL franchises, possibly to be based in Lucknow, where the Sahara Group, of which he is chairman, is based.

 

[Lo-Pan]

Rooney's attitude has matured over the last two years. Like ALL true geniuses, he is at his best when he is most fired up, passionately. And this often spills out into aggression and thuggishness. But rarely so, over the last 6 months.

Much like Cantona, and Baggio, and little Rudi Voller, he needs to be angry, or...brimming with intensity, to show what he can really do, as an artist of the game. Rooney has little problem finding that state. And when he does, he becomes much more likely to win a game, than lose a game, singlehandedly. Though the risk is there...it is diminishing.

Arsenal and Chelsea, are both much more solid, much more settled, teams, than the present Man United team. The young guns at arsenal, are not strangers to each other. As for Chelsea..they are in their finest period, despite Terry's misdemeanours, since the decent Mourinho days. To compare Drogba and Fabregas to Rooney, is unfair, without taking into consideration the players around them.

And despite the 'chemistry' that man U always possess, they have weak links in the team. Their defence is nowhere near the class of the Chelsea defence. Their midfield is nowhere near as special as the Chelsea midfield...perhaps close to the Arsenal midfield, but Wenger's lads have a fabregas in there, whereas Man U have a sporadic Valencia, a predictable korean, and an aging giggs and scholes. Nani who is brilliants far less often than he is profligate, anderson still flattering to deceive... Carrick is a decent player, but rarely world class. Losing BOTH ronaldo and Tevez, was a massive blow to the team. holes which have not yet been filled. Rio ferdinand has been plagued by ignorance...Vidic too long on the treatment table, and as a result united have been stretched defensively. Whereas the Chelsea defence, has held very firm indeed. And ALL of their back line are threats at set pieces...and in general. Their fullbacks give wicked width and penetration up the flanks.

 

[only-juve]

Kaka was Real's best player in their last game against Espanyol. Was brilliant against Barca in the classico too. For the first time in maybe 8-9 years that i'm seing a very orginized, compatitive Real madrid's team.

Even without both Kaka and Cristiano Real madrid's team looks really solid. In Adding those two they have that Extra quality that any team needs to win trophies or to make the difference in certain games.

Many here don't like madrid's team but personaly i'd love to see them winning the champions league this season (now that we're out of it).

 

[Fred]

Rooney's attitude has matured over the last two years. Like ALL true geniuses, he is at his best when he is most fired up, passionately. And this often spills out into aggression and thuggishness. But rarely so, over the last 6 months.

Much like Cantona, and Baggio, and little Rudi Voller, he needs to be angry, or...brimming with intensity, to show what he can really do, as an artist of the game. Rooney has little problem finding that state. And when he does, he becomes much more likely to win a game, than lose a game, singlehandedly. Though the risk is there...it is diminishing.

Arsenal and Chelsea, are both much more solid, much more settled, teams, than the present Man United team. The young guns at arsenal, are not strangers to each other. As for Chelsea..they are in their finest period, despite Terry's misdemeanours, since the decent Mourinho days. To compare Drogba and Fabregas to Rooney, is unfair, without taking into consideration the players around them.

And despite the 'chemistry' that man U always possess, they have weak links in the team. Their defence is nowhere near the class of the Chelsea defence. Their midfield is nowhere near as special as the Chelsea midfield...perhaps close to the Arsenal midfield, but Wenger's lads have a fabregas in there, whereas Man U have a sporadic Valencia, a predictable korean, and an aging giggs and scholes. Nani who is brilliants far less often than he is profligate, anderson still flattering to deceive... Carrick is a decent player, but rarely world class. Losing BOTH ronaldo and Tevez, was a massive blow to the team. holes which have not yet been filled. Rio ferdinand has been plagued by ignorance...Vidic too long on the treatment table, and as a result united have been stretched defensively. Whereas the Chelsea defence, has held very firm indeed. And ALL of their back line are threats at set pieces...and in general. Their fullbacks give wicked width and penetration up the flanks.

If we should take into consideration their teammates, then you tell me if you prefer playing alongside Scholes, Valencia, Giggs and Berbatov or alongside Denilson, Diaby, Nasri and Song. The former 4 are definitely a class or two above Arsenal players.

 

[Alen]

If we should take into consideration their teammates, then you tell me if you prefer playing alongside Scholes, Valencia, Giggs and Berbatov or alongside Denilson, Diaby, Nasri and Song. The former 4 are definitely a class or two above Arsenal players.

Don't forget the lack of options up front. A guy who plays in Fabregas' role needs someone in front of him to work with. With van Persie being injured, Eduardo injured+underperforming and Bendtner being Bendtner, Fabregas is being handicapped and still he's a master of setting up goals even for players who aren't strikers. To have 13 assists on ~20 matches (league's top assistman) in a team that played half of these matches without a proper striker and in addition to this to indirectly take the role of the strikers by scoring 11 goals... that shows brilliance to me.

Everything has already been said about the three of them. You can't make a point with numbers only, but since the rest has been said by the bunch above this post, i'll just show the numbers of all three of them to show how close they are to each other in terms of importance for the team by scoring, leading the team and creating:

Rooney 21 goals + 4 assists on 25 matches
Fabregas 11 goals+13 assists on 21 matches
Drogba 17 goals + 8 assists on 20 matches

Cesc and Rooney are being handicapped compared to Drogba in terms of help from the teammates. Rooney is showing drive, leadership and goalscoring abilities. Cesc is showing leadership and great vision. Drogba, even though he has better players behind him compared to the other two, with his 8 assists he's showing that he's not just someone who depends on the others, but he's also a player who works hard for the others.

They're having equally good seasons. Everything else is a matter of details and taste.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Just on terms of quality rate Rooney from 5 to 10.

If you think it's it's anything less than 9 then you underrate him. Kinda silly to compare him to C.Ronaldo though.

 

[Nicholas]

Just on terms of quality rate Rooney from 5 to 10.

If you think it's it's anything less than 9 then you underrate him. Kinda silly to compare him to C.Ronaldo though.

Why a 9? I don't rate Drogba or Fabregas 9 so why should I rate Rooney a 9?


Ibrahimovic, Higuain, David Villa, Torres and Messi I would pick all these guys ahead of Rooney.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Why a 9? I don't rate Drogba or Fabregas 9 so why should I rate Rooney a 9?

It's a number. And I don't get how those three aren't a 9 anyhow.

 

[Nicholas]

It's a number. And I don't get how those three aren't a 9 anyhow.

9/10 in terms of quality your stepping into Messi and Ronaldo ratings there dude, which Rooney is nowhere near them two. There are few players who deserve to be given a 10 and thats the likes of Zidane.

 

[Dostoevsky]

9/10 in terms of quality your stepping into Messi and Ronaldo ratings there dude, which Rooney is nowhere near them two. There are few players who deserve to be given a 10 and thats the likes of Zidane.

It's for his quality yes, but without former legends.

It doesn't have to mean there should be a couple of 10 in there.

 

[Nicholas]

It's for his quality yes, but without former legends.

It doesn't have to mean there should be a couple of 10 in there.

If people rate Messi a 9 how does one justify to give Rooney the same rating?

 

[Dostoevsky]

If people rate Messi a 9 how does one justify to give Rooney the same rating?

I didn't even see somebody rates him with a 9. But whatever, it's your call in the end.

 

[Fred]

Don't forget the lack of options up front. A guy who plays in Fabregas' role needs someone in front of him to work with. With van Persie being injured, Eduardo injured+underperforming and Bendtner being Bendtner, Fabregas is being handicapped and still he's a master of setting up goals even for players who aren't strikers. To have 13 assists on ~20 matches (league's top assistman) in a team that played half of these matches without a proper striker and in addition to this to indirectly take the role of the strikers by scoring 11 goals... that shows brilliance to me.

Everything has already been said about the three of them. You can't make a point with numbers only, but since the rest has been said by the bunch above this post, i'll just show the numbers of all three of them to show how close they are to each other in terms of importance for the team by scoring, leading the team and creating:

Rooney 21 goals + 4 assists on 25 matches
Fabregas 11 goals+13 assists on 21 matches
Drogba 17 goals + 8 assists on 20 matches

Cesc and Rooney are being handicapped compared to Drogba in terms of help from the teammates. Rooney is showing drive, leadership and goalscoring abilities. Cesc is showing leadership and great vision. Drogba, even though he has better players behind him compared to the other two, with his 8 assists he's showing that he's not just someone who depends on the others, but he's also a player who works hard for the others.

They're having equally good seasons. Everything else is a matter of details and taste.

Exactly. All 3 of them have been fantastic, tough to pick between them. I would give the slight edge to Rooney, although that can change over the course of the season because they are all so close and theres still 14 games left to go in the league.

Why a 9? I don't rate Drogba or Fabregas 9 so why should I rate Rooney a 9?


Ibrahimovic, Higuain, David Villa, Torres and Messi I would pick all these guys ahead of Rooney.

Higuain is not better than Rooney. Definitely not. Would you swap the two if you were United's manager?

Rooney is better than Higuain in almost every aspect of the game, the only thing Higuain is better than Rooney in is dribbling ability. Rooney is the more complete player though, he's got better vision, is more of a team player, more of a hard worker, he's got a better shot on him and is a better all round passer of the ball than Higuain. In terms of pace and finishing they are close to each other. But i say you are either massively overrating Higuain or massively underrating Rooney if you say Higuain is the better player.

As for the other mentioned players, in terms of ability and over the course of a the past few seasons all of them have proven themselves to be better than Rooney no doubt about that. But in terms of pure form this season, Only Messi and perhaps Villa to a lesser extent are as good as or better than Rooney from the above mentioned players. Torres despite having a really good season has misssed half of it with injury and Ibra has been inconsistent and rather frustrating at Barca despite his admirable statistics.

 

[Nicholas]

Exactly. All 3 of them have been fantastic, tough to pick between them. I would give the slight edge to Rooney, although that can change over the course of the season because they are all so close and theres still 14 games left to go in the league.




Higuain is not better than Rooney. Definitely not. Would you swap the two if you were United's manager?

Rooney is better than Higuain in almost every aspect of the game, the only thing Higuain is better than Rooney in is dribbling ability. Rooney is the more complete player though, he's got better vision, is more of a team player, more of a hard worker, he's got a better shot on him and is a better all round passer of the ball than Higuain. In terms of pace and finishing they are close to each other. But i say you are either massively overrating Higuain or massively underrating Rooney if you say Higuain is the better player.

As for the other mentioned players, in terms of ability and over the course of a the past few seasons all of them have proven themselves to be better than Rooney no doubt about that. But in terms of pure form this season, Only Messi and perhaps Villa to a lesser extent are as good as or better than Rooney from the above mentioned players. Torres despite having a really good season has misssed half of it with injury and Ibra has been inconsistent and rather frustrating at Barca despite his admirable statistics.

You don't base a players ability of one season though. Ibrahimovic is a better player than Rooney looked at his Inter days and first season at Juventus. Torres baring this season has scored more goals than Rooney. This is Rooneys first season where he has looked class and everybody is raving about him.

 

[Fred]

You don't base a players ability of one season though. Ibrahimovic is a better player than Rooney looked at his Inter days and first season at Juventus. Torres baring this season has scored more goals than Rooney. This is Rooneys first season where he has looked class and everybody is raving about him.

Ah ya of course i agree. I just wanted to know in what context you were saying those players are better than him. In that case i definitely agree that the mentioned players are better than him, with the exception of Higuain of course.