[ENG] Premiership 2006/2007 (7 Viewers)

peckface

approaching curve
Oct 3, 2004
2,357
Good weekend for English football, the title race got a little bit more interesting. Every coming week seems to have at least one match worth watching.

Man Utd 57- upc. Watford (H), Spurs (A), Charlton (H)
Chelsea 51 - upc. Blackburn (H), Charlton (A), Boro (H)
Liverpool 46 - upc. West Ham (A), Everton (H), Newcastle (A)
Arsenal 45 - upc. Man City (H), Boro (A), Wigan (A)
 

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Bozi

The Bozman
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Oct 18, 2005
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was very pleased to see both arsenal and liverpool win, neitehr will win the title this year but it makes it a hella lot more interesting for the viewers. with chelsea losing everyone started to accept that a manure win would have been the end of the race, it would ahve been pretty much a cakewalk from then on in.

liverpool really must ask themselves some questions though, was this really the same team spanked for 9 goals at home by arsenal?why do they turn up for (most of) teh big games yet struggle against weaker opposition, i for one thought they were genuine title contenders this year,yes,even with tom sawyer up front.

arsenal,well they are just gonna get better and better,with bergkamp,reyes,pires and the rest gone you thought the youngsters might struggle but just imagine how awesome this team is gonna be. wenger has systematically broken up the older generation and filled his team with exciting youngsters, take out lehmann and henry and i am sure there are no players over 25, that is phenominal. when eboue,clichy,senderos,flamini,baptista and especially fabregas reach their peak and they have been togetehr 4-5 years they are gonna be a very hard team to beat.
 

northbank

Junior Member
Mar 22, 2006
232
If you have a look at the fixtures both Arsenal and Liverpool have a slim chance of making the 1st spot. Liverpool especially have a nice run-in. I can personally see ManU dropping another 9 points quite easily and the last few weeks of the season should be very interesting.
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
14,418
Prem Talking Points: Movers And Shakers

We are now half way through the January transfer window, and there is expected to be much business done after few high-profile deals so far.


The British press have moved into overdrive in the last few weeks, with some rumours believable and others pure fantasy. So lets try to distinguish fact from fiction.

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho clearly wants a defender. While the board are reluctant to throw money at another striker, a centre-back or a versatile defender may just be permitted. If so, expect Bolton’s Tal Ben Haim to jump ship before his contract expires in the summer.
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson seems fairly content with his lot. Should Bayern Munich decide that Owen Hargreaves can leave for a reasonable price, Fergie may just decide to move in for his long-time object of desire, but otherwise it should be a quiet two weeks at Old Trafford.

Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez needs players more than ever after the unfortunate injuries sustained by Luis Garcia and Mark Gonzalez. The Reds have been linked with Javier Mascherano for some time and if Fifa allow the transfer (a player is not allowed to play for more than two clubs in 12 months), the move could be on. Rumours that run and run, such as the one linking Liverpool with Blackburn’s Lucas Neil, generally have an element of truth about them, so watch this space…

Arsene Wenger has already made it clear that Arsenal will not be making any signings in January, so no point in speculating.

Bolton boss Sam Allardyce, ever the wheeler dealer, may make a couple of additions but appears to be more worried about keeping what he has. The loss of Ben Haim would be a huge blow but who would put it past Big Sam to pluck another diamond out of the rough in the next two weeks? Vikash Dhorasoo may just be that diamond but he will have to impress more than he apparently did in a recent trial at Fulham. Cottagers boss Chris Coleman says he will not be following up his interest.

There could also be more comings and goings at Portsmouth. In already are Arnold Mvuemba on loan from Rennes and Djimi Traore from Charlton. But Souleymane Diawara is unlikely to join from the Addicks as has already played for two clubs in the last 12 months.

Everton will not be signing Joey Barton despite fresh speculation on Tuesday. Manchester City do not want to sell their tough-tackling midfielder.

Tottenham boss Martin Jol is said to be one of the many managers interested in Watford’s Ashley Young. But surely not at £10 million. The player apparently wants to move to White Hart Lane, and a player-plus-cash offer including Callum Davenport and Wayne Routledge could be forthcoming.

Reading are reportedly keen on Bobby Zamora but while West Ham may be ready to offload other players, their top scorer is unlikely to be leaving. Steve Coppell may sign one or two but expect few comings or goings, especially after a scan on Kevin Doyle’s hamstring injury revealed that he will only miss around four weeks.

Manchester City have handed a trial to Francesco Coco. The 30-year-old is out-of-favour at Inter but if he can reproduce some of his old pre-injury form, City boss Stuart Pearce may just have himself a player.

Reports linking Real Madrid outcasts Ronaldo and Antonio Cassano with Newcastle should surely be treated with the contempt they deserve. Both players are on handsome salaries at the Bernabeu and the north-east is chilly this time of year. Peter Crouch has been another name mentioned, but again, don’t believe the hype. The lanky England international will not be leaving Anfield. No doubt manager Glenn Roeder would love to get his hands on Birmingham’s Matthew Upson, but so would most clubs.

Neil appears destined to leave Blackburn, perhaps sooner rather than later. But don’t be surprised to see manager Mark Hughes bag the Reds’ Stephen Warnock as part of the deal. The signing of former player David Dunn from Birmingham would be romantic, but there must be serious questions over his fitness. A loan deal perhaps?

Vincenzo Montella and Clint Dempsey have already joined the Fulham. Alexei Smertin may just follow them from Dinamo Moscow, while the rumours linking Chris Coleman with Everton’s Simon Davies seem fairly concrete. Expect at least two more arrivals at Craven Cottage.

Middlesbrough boss Gareth Southgate may just make a swoop, but it remains to be seen who. There appears genuine interest in West Brom’s Zoltan Gera, while there are reports of a £6 million move for Benfica’s Manuel Fernandez, previously on loan at Portsmouth.

Reports of an Aston Villa move for Craig Bellamy appear wide of the mark as Liverpool boss Benitez would surely be unwilling to let him go. Shaun Wright-Phillips is a dream, but perhaps an unreachable one. Watford’s Young is a possibility, but surely not at the prices quoted. But whatever happens, expect movement at Villa Park.

It would seem Sheffield United boss Niel Warnock has done most of his business with the signings of Matthew Kilgallon, Mamadou Seck, Jon Stead and Luton Shelton. But he may have one other signing up his sleeve.

Reports last week that a deal to bring Lyn Oslo whizz-kid Chinedu Ogbuke to Wigan appeared to be a red herring. But Wigan are in real trouble and manager Paul Jewell is expected to make at least two more signings. Alan Smith is a target but Ferguson seems intent on keeping him at Old Trafford. No go there.

West Ham boss Alan Curbishley has already splashed out for Luis Boa Morte, but Watford’s Young does not seemingly favour a move to Upton Park. Rumours linking Middlebrough’s Mark Viduka are surely fanciful given that Curbishley already has six strikers at his disposal. For the same reason, Darren Bent is unlikely to arrive. What the Hammers need is defensive solidity, although the latest reports are that Arsenal’s Lauren has rejected a move.

There is definite interest from Charlton in Sevilla’s Kepa and a loan move may be sealed in the near future, while Colchester’s Greg Halford is another realistic target. Leeds United’s David Healy may be out of the club’s price-range, however. Former boss Curbishley may just be willing to allow Marlon Harewood to leave West Ham.

Tottenham’s Davenport continues to be linked with Watford but any deal may be dependent on Young. Fulham’s Collins John is a no-go after the striker rejected a move to Vicarage Road.
 

peckface

approaching curve
Oct 3, 2004
2,357
If you have a look at the fixtures both Arsenal and Liverpool have a slim chance of making the 1st spot. Liverpool especially have a nice run-in. I can personally see ManU dropping another 9 points quite easily and the last few weeks of the season should be very interesting.
The week after the coming will be really interesting. the games spurs vs united, charlton vs chelsea, liverpool vs everton and boro vs arsenal all have the potential to be shockers.
 

Jun-hide

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2002
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Henry since coming back from injury has been sublime. The goal he scored against Blackburn was made in heaven.

I think the turning point was against Sheffield. They were distinctively average at best, extremely inconsistent, and defensively poor until then. I don't know what Wenger said, but he got on players head, and I imagine he had some harsh word to say in the dressing room. Although Wenger is not a person I would take much fond of in real life, he is one of the best in the business.

Arsenal won't win the league. I am willing to bet 150 pound on that. But if they continue their "new" home form, I see them making a noise in Europe. Arsenal got good attack, which means a good result or two, they might just find themselves in the final. I think the Gunners will do best out of all the English teams in this year's CL.
 

northbank

Junior Member
Mar 22, 2006
232
I think the turning point was against Sheffield. They were distinctively average at best, extremely inconsistent, and defensively poor until then. I don't know what Wenger said, but he got on players head, and I imagine he had some harsh word to say in the dressing room. Although Wenger is not a person I would take much fond of in real life, he is one of the best in the business.

Fab: Showdown fired Gunners

Mike Anstead - The Sun (22 January 2007)

Cesc Fabregas has revealed how a dressing room showdown inspired Arsenal's storming start to 2007. The Spanish ace says the Gunners' players exchanged their views after the shock defeat to Sheffield United at Bramall Lane last month. Since then Arsenal have won five consecutive games - scoring 17 goals - including yesterday's victory over Manchester United.

Fabregas said: "We lost 1-0 at Sheffield United and there were a lot of things to improve and think about. We had a talk in the dressing room after that game and said something had to change - our mentality and how we need to be stronger in every part of the game. Since then we've showed everyone we have changed. Right now we are feeling really, really good. Nobody can stop us if we carry on playing the way we are playing."

But Fabregas has warned the Gunners that they must not finish the season empty-handed. He added: "We have to win something because we are Arsenal. Our obligation and target every year is to win something. But if you win these kind of big games it gives you confidence."
 

Jun-hide

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2002
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You can't be distinctly average and be fourth having beaten Liverpool and manU and drawing to Chelsea away.
Arsenal has been patchy at best until the match against Liverpool. Yes, they have been on a sensational form right now, whether they can continue the current pace, I doubt it. But since they are winning their home matches now, I think Arsenal will almost certainly make the CL.

Arsenal is still far from finished article. I am not jumping on the bandwagon yet. But with the return of Gallas, and a better left-back, I like Arsenal's chances next year.
 

northbank

Junior Member
Mar 22, 2006
232
a better left back then Clichy? that's crazy talk. 21, hasn't played first team football for over a year and comes back to keep the most dominant wingers in the league quiet. There is no better left back for us in world football (barring the wanker who jumped ship).

The team has been playing the same all season; I promise, been to basically every game and our play hasn't taken a shrp upturn. Main difference is that we have some consistency in team selection now; it's the first time since the start of last season that we have had a close to full strength squad.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
2,068
a better left back then Clichy? that's crazy talk. 21, hasn't played first team football for over a year and comes back to keep the most dominant wingers in the league quiet. There is no better left back for us in world football (barring the wanker who jumped ship).

The team has been playing the same all season; I promise, been to basically every game and our play hasn't taken a shrp upturn. Main difference is that we have some consistency in team selection now; it's the first time since the start of last season that we have had a close to full strength squad.
Clichy positioning is as good as Boumsong, meaning he hasnt got any. I never seen a full back who gets caught more in a no man's land so he has to make some impetuous challenge. He just about has zero offensive game at present. I have hard time keeping my laughter in check whenever some 100Kg fat presenters figure willingness to run forward somehow equates to becoming effective.

He is a good man to man defender, I give him that. There is much for him to learn before being considered a good defender. And I don't like this age thing. People thinks somehow being young gives you more potential. That is misconception. Developmental growth stage never takes such a predicted turn.

Ashley Cole is an overrated brat.
 

northbank

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Mar 22, 2006
232
developmental growth stage? lol.

Clichy has made game on game improvement; not only that he has been a hot prospect at our club going on 4 years and if it wasnt for bad injuries he probably would have been our first choice already.

As to positioning etc.- did you watch the game yesterday? did he look like a player who lacks defensive acumen?

I think you are still judging him on some poorer performances at the start of the season when (as I said) he hadn't played football for almost 18months.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
2,068
developmental growth stage? lol.

Clichy has made game on game improvement; not only that he has been a hot prospect at our club going on 4 years and if it wasnt for bad injuries he probably would have been our first choice already.

As to positioning etc.- did you watch the game yesterday? did he look like a player who lacks defensive acumen?

I think you are still judging him on some poorer performances at the start of the season when (as I said) he hadn't played football for almost 18months.
Yes, I have seen him play yesterday, and he was very good. But if you watch the game as long as I have, you are less unperturbed by the hypes, one-day match heroics. That is why growth stage matter. Some people develop younger and some later. You are delusional for thinking 21 year representing hottest prospect in the game. Its meaningless to speak of somebody having "better" potential than the other prospect. Someone called Zizou arrived as virtual unknown in 96 to Torino. Djorkaeff, & Davids were all unanimously talked up as being better you know. Just as a reminder, I thought he was mediocre against Liverpool.

Now just to demonstrate how ridiculous your logic is:

Birindelli once kept Henry pretty much in his place. By that account I guess Biri is a best defender in the world since Javier Zanetti & Co. got their ass owned by the Frenchman. Ditto for Khalid the butcher on Ronaldinho. Poulsen on Kaka.
 

Henry

Senior Member
Sep 30, 2003
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What a great weekend! Liverpool should have scored more, and while I don't think arsenal were much better, if at all, than manu, I was thrilled with the last goals! I know as a liverpool fan, realistically a manu win might have been better in the long run, I don't mind seeing them lose :D
 

northbank

Junior Member
Mar 22, 2006
232
Ashly Cole is the best LB in the world :rofl: Clichy is the 2nd best :lol: I guess english media think England=World
I think you missed the part where I said 'for us', as in for the arsenal team.

As a football fan I'm sure you understand the concept of having a player at your club for a long time and having them come through your youth set up and succeed. It fosters identity and great understandig with the club, including it's fans and traditions.
 

northbank

Junior Member
Mar 22, 2006
232
Yes, I have seen him play yesterday, and he was very good. But if you watch the game as long as I have, you are less unperturbed by the hypes, one-day match heroics. That is why growth stage matter. Some people develop younger and some later. You are delusional for thinking 21 year representing hottest prospect in the game. Its meaningless to speak of somebody having "better" potential than the other prospect. Someone called Zizou arrived as virtual unknown in 96 to Torino. Djorkaeff, & Davids were all unanimously talked up as being better you know. Just as a reminder, I thought he was mediocre against Liverpool.

Now just to demonstrate how ridiculous your logic is:

Birindelli once kept Henry pretty much in his place. By that account I guess Biri is a best defender in the world since Javier Zanetti & Co. got their ass owned by the Frenchman. Ditto for Khalid the butcher on Ronaldinho. Poulsen on Kaka.
You obviously don't read properly my friend. I spoke about Clichy's game by game improvement and then I gave you a recent example to back up the opinion that he has improved as the season has carried on.

I also said before that how he has stopped the best wide midfielders in the league and when the champs league resumes we will see how he handles it on a wider scale. He has stopped Lennon, Ronaldo, Giggs, Rooney, Gerrard and Pennant in the prem over the course of the last 4-5 months. Bentley who has been terrorising defences got no luck, Ashley Young ditto. Sowed up SWP at Chelsea when he came on too (though that isn't particularly difficult given his recent form).

Given that he has consistently performed and has shown consistent improvement, he is doing all that is asked of him. I am giving you my opinion as I watch every single game; on the other hand, as you say you are in england, I imagine you watch perhaps 1/5 of them in their entirety but correct me if I am wrong.

You talk of development growth stage is pointless because I am talking about one specific player; it doesn't matter what happened to other players, your continued reference to it is a logical fallacy, a non-sequitir perhaps.

Clichy played well against Liverpool (I am assuming you mean the FA cup game, but perhaps you confused him for Traore in the carling cup game).

But then again, if you think Henry has been sublime since returning for us, perhaps you just aren't a good judge of player performance. He has scored 4 in 4 and has been one of the worst players on the pitch in all four games.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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You obviously don't read properly my friend. I spoke about Clichy's game by game improvement and then I gave you a recent example to back up the opinion that he has improved as the season has carried on.

I also said before that how he has stopped the best wide midfielders in the league and when the champs league resumes we will see how he handles it on a wider scale. He has stopped Lennon, Ronaldo, Giggs, Rooney, Gerrard and Pennant in the prem over the course of the last 4-5 months. Sowed up SWP at Chelsea when he came on too (though that isn't particularly difficult given his recent form).

Given that he has consistently performed and has shown consistent improvement, he is doing all that is asked of him. I am giving you my opinion as I watch every single game; on the other hand as you say you are in england I imagine you watch perhaps 1/5 of them in their entirety but correct me if I am wrong.

You talk of development growth stage is pointless because I am talking about one specific player; it doesn't matter what happened to other players, your continued reference to it is a logical fallacy, a non-sequitir perhaps.

Clichy played well against Liverpool (I am assuming you mean the FA cup game, but perhaps you confused him for Traore in the carling cup game).

But then again, if you think Henry has been sublime since returning for us, perhaps you just aren't a good judge of player performance. He has scored 4 in 4 and has been one of the worst players on the pitch in all four games.
Well, I guess we are seeing the same game, and interpretating the performances differently. I do think Clichy is a good man to man defender. That is largely due to his athleticism. But it is clear in my opinion where his tactical inexperience, ill-discipline to keep the line shows up. Just to point out a particular case, there was moment in the first half against Liverpool where he won the ball in the 30 yard from the oppostion box. While he did win the ball, that was clear mistake on his part, because had he missed a tackle Liverpool would have clear goal scoring opportunity on from the break. Going forward, Clichy is nothing exceptional either.

As far as I am concerned, the kid got a lot to learn to become a good player. As an Arsenal fan you are entitled to view the kid in a bright light. But I am not, and I just don't the necessity of assuming he will be great one day. And he is far from being a finished article ATM.
 

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