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Kopanja

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Its kind of funny how this mentally challenged one season wonder, had a very good first season in Dortmund and was the starplayer in a Shaktar team with Willian, Costa and Teixiera.
Teixeira was benched by Miki. And Costa was 50/50 bench player, sometimes Ilsinho and sometimes Taison played on his position. And yes, he was a star player there.
 

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Zacheryah

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Diehard mentality? For one this guy never stops running in any game I seen him in. Regarding mentality, in what way is he weak, or weaker then the average? That he was struggling or sulking when the team were doing poorly? That's typical. There is no grounds to assume he is the new Nedved in mental fortitude, but let's not pretend we are his shrinks either and he is some weak wuss. That's just reaching for shit to say.
Mkhi is known and has been critisised for lacking mental character and beeing entirely dependant on his team.


Osman, i know you like these players with the nice stats and all, but this is juventus. Thats not quite enough. Its about character and mentality too.

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I'd go for Gundogan. Certainly if we're gonna stick with the 3-5-2.
if we had the choise, its a non brainer. Gundogan is the main reason mkhi stopped sucking giant balls at dortmund.
 

petersmit

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I don't think we are going to splash money this summer.. Cavani is very expensive... Nothing like us to invest such a huge amount of money on a player that isnt young anymore..
 

Bianconero81

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Yes, it is. But he's not the player juventus should spend too much money on. He is lacking significantly in the mental aspect.

What teams is he currently linked with ? That should give some idea of the general impression he made
But Vazquez the sloth is being linked with Barca, Bayern and Madrid, isn't he? Last time I checked, a piss poor Milan (who might barely sneak into the Europa League next season) are our only "true" competition if we choose to go for him (which we shouldn't).
 

Nostradamus

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Mkhi is known and has been critisised for lacking mental character and beeing entirely dependant on his team.


Osman, i know you like these players with the nice stats and all, but this is juventus. Thats not quite enough. Its about character and mentality too.

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if we had the choise, its a non brainer. Gundogan is the main reason mkhi stopped sucking giant balls at dortmund.
I think u r exaggerating a bit about his mentality here. 1st he is a top pro and a top character and always giving all he can. He the opposite of lazy and not stopping to get better every day. The only time, when he looked mentally weak, was last season. All was running against Dortmund and especially him and as I mentioned that time, it was almost comical to see him playing that time. I understand, that this time gave u the impression, that he is too sensitive and mentally not robust enough, but what he has shown this season has just been sensational.

Dortmund r trying everything they can to extend the contract and not long time ago it has looked that a deal is agreed in principle. As Raiola is his manager though, I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest to see him moving to a club being able to give him more money. What makes me confident seeing him staying at Dortmund is, that Mkhtaryan doesnt seem the kind of player who is greedy for money, as he wouldnt have chosen Dortmund then in the 1st place. The other reason is his great relationship with Tuchel and lovely football they r playing again.
 
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I think u r exaggerating a bit about his mentality here. 1st he is a top pro and a top character and always giving all he can. He the opposite of lazy and not stopping to get better every day. The only time, when he looked mentally weak, was last season. All was running against Dortmund and especially him and as I mentioned that time, it was almost comical to see him playing that time. I understand, that this time gave u the impression, that he is too sensitive and mentally not robust enough, but what he has shown this season has just been sensational.

Dortmund r trying everything they can to extend the contract and not long time ago it has looked that a deal is agreed in principle. As Raiola is his manager though, I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest to see him moving to a club being able to give him more money. What makes me confident seeing him staying at Dortmund is, that Mkhtaryan doesnt seem the kind of player who is greedy for money, as he wouldnt have chosen Dortmund then in the 1st place. The other reason is his great relationship with Tuchel and lovely football they r playing again.
What are your views on Gundogan? Do you see him staying at Dortmund next season?
 

Zacheryah

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Answer the question. You seem to think Vazquez is an ideal fit for us. Vazquez and Saponara should only come to us as bench options (to replace Hernanes perhaps) but never as starters.

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Where did i disagree, that those two are excellent bench options ?


We have an amazing 352. Untill we can sign the dybala amongst trequartista's, we should stay 3-5-2 but get an excellent bench option for TQ so we can change the formation when tactically interesting.
 

Nostradamus

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What are your views on Gundogan? Do you see him staying at Dortmund next season?
Its really hard to foresee, whats going on in his head..he is not easy to judge. IMO its just a matter of time for him to leave Dortmund, as he seems to be the kind of guy, who wants to have a picture book career with elite club, playing abroad, huge money and all that. Cannot blame him and he is in general a smart guy. His 1 year contract extensions also show, that he doesnt want to fully commit to Dortmund, but also that he is not a total jerk, as his contract was running out. I wouldnt rule out him staying, but that looks very unlikely.

His preferred choice in the past has been PD and there Barca, but Real would be nice too I guess. The EPL has been tempting too of course and I can see all of them trying in the summer. I have no idea, if he would consider an offer from Bayern, but I think they ll also try. Dont forget Paris has also tried several times and why should they not try again next summer? Long story short, dont get ur hopes up. I want him too, but I m sceptical.
 

Hust

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But Vazquez the sloth is being linked with Barca, Bayern and Madrid, isn't he? Last time I checked, a piss poor Milan (who might barely sneak into the Europa League next season) are our only "true" competition if we choose to go for him (which we shouldn't).
Are we losing? We must be. Here you are again. :heart:
 

Nostradamus

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Gunodgan is a goner.

I doubt they're selling anyone else after that.Maybe Aubameyang if a crazy offer comes.
There r 3 important players, that have just 1 year left at the end of the season: Hummels, Gündogan and Mkhtaryan.

IMO Hummels is most likely to leave. I think he already wanted to go last summer (to United), but Dortmund simply refused to even listen to offers and declared him unsellable. After that bad season and the coach change, he was too important to risk the season and Tuchel also wanted to keep him under any circumstances. Hummels didnt want to ruin his reputation there thus not forcing anything. He is not stupid and knew, that time is on his side and Dortmund under pressure next summer so he can use that situation to his advantage. He is a definite goer for me.

As already mentioned, Gündogan looks also likely to leave and Mkhtaryan is also in the balance. Tough situation for Dortmund. I would guess, that two of them r going to leave and that literally means, that Dortmund wouldnt sell anybody else. The imagination losing Hummels and Gündogan and then Dortmund willing to listen to offers for some others like Aubameyang, Reus or Weigl looks absurd. Dortmund have been stubborn, when it comes to selling their players and in such a situation, they would show there little muscles and refuse.

Nobody saw it coming though, when Reus extended his contract and Gündogan doing the same just for one year. Maybe that great season changes again everything and nobody is going to leave like last season. CEO Watzke once said, that it was right to keep Lewandowski and losing him on a Bosman, but that they dont want such a scerario again, so keeping a player until the end of contract is not likely to happen again.

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@Nost

Why is Draxler so bad for Wolfsburg this season?
Cos Wolfsburg r a plain average team with an average coach and an incompetent manager.
 

Nostradamus

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IF Mkhitaryan didn't have Raiola as his agent, would we even be having any of these discussions?
I know what u mean. ;)

I m not blind and recognising the great work Juve r doing and have done over the last years. I m not stuck in my mind and have changed from being very critical towards Juve and Serie A to having sympathy for them.

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What about him? He is amazing and became instant fan favorite. Dortmund fans would burn their stadium down..impossible to get.
 
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