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Nostradamus

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Dec 12, 2012
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Well $#@! me. I never thought the day would come. Welcome to the dark side. The good thing about it is that you still have somebody ti support in the CL quarters after Bayern are knocked out;-)
:dule: I m not happy about the draw and would have preferred City with their clueless coach and I really wanna see England losing the 4th CL spot.

:lol: praise be the one and only true @Nostradamus :delpiero:
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I love uruguay honestly.

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And i still view suarez's sacrifice vs ghana heroic. And i ABSOLUTELY love the fact that they knoked out england italy last world cup. Biting chiello wasnt cool tho
Come and visit my white ass! Theres graffiti everywhere about Suárez destroying England. I.love it for obvious reasons :lol:
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
61,501
Morata struggles to score double figures, for all the promise what matters is consistent impact. And Cavani would have an instant top class one, would easily score 30 goals. He scores that or near that with PSG despite not allways playing and being wide. Imagine if he was our main striker, think Tevez like impact in goals but better because you could use him alot better in the box.


Morata is better investment long term. But let's not delude ourselves he is in Cavani's level when he scored 12 goals in his best season and this season went 4 months without scoring.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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Morata struggles to score double figures, for all the promise what matters is consistent impact. And Cavani would have an instant top class one, would easily score 30 goals. He scores that or near that with PSG despite not allways playing and being wide. Imagine if he was our main striker, think Tevez like impact in goals but better because you could use him alot better in the box.


Morata is better investment long term. But let's not delude ourselves he is in Cavani's level when he scored 12 goals in his best season and this season went 4 months without scoring.
I dont think anybody is postulating that Morata is as good as Cavani at this time, but Morata is 23 and Cavani will be 29 in a couple of days. If we bought Cavani it would probably be a 45 mio Investment and salaries around 8 mio. net. If we give him a 3 year contract that means that we will he will cost us 15 mio (no resale value at 32 years old) a year plus another 15 million in salaries. Thats 30 mio a year. Morata on the other hand will cost us 3 mio. net in salaries. He could give us 30 mio. if we sell him now and I cant imagine he will be cheaper in a couple of years, so the net spend on Morata is around 6 mio.
Agnelli explained last year that we allocate around 200 mio. a year to player salaries and amortisation in our budget. That means that for Cavani alone would use 15 % of that, which means that we cant upgrade on other positions. Even though Cavani at this time is an upgrade over Morata thats bad for business and ultimately also bad sporting wise if you look beyond this year and the next.
Agnelli has said that our goal is to be succesfull long term and a transaction like that is incredibly short sided.
If we were to push for Cavani we should sell Mandzu and not risk being left with to CF who is almost 30. Thats how Milan and Merdas decline startet.
 

Osman

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Dont disagree with any of that (and I already said in the past would sacrifice Mandzu for Cavani in split second). Nor did I refer to any of them. I'm talking in pure footballing terms, what they do on the pitch. Cavani is a monstrous CF, while with Morata is a work in progress that has been severely dissapointing this season. So on pure impact and scoring ability, he should not be compared to one of the best around in his position right now.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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Dont disagree with any of that (and I already said in the past would sacrifice Mandzu for Cavani in split second). Nor did I refer to any of them. I'm talking in pure footballing terms, what they do on the pitch. Cavani is a monstrous CF, while with Morata is a work in progress that has been severely dissapointing this season. So on pure impact and scoring ability, he should not be compared to one of the best around in his position right now.
Okay I misunderstood you then. Just protesting the fact that some members state that they would sell Morata in a second if it meant that Cavani would come here.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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There is alot of prioritizing and financial burden it would take to upgrade our attack with Cavani. And I get it all. The reason I mention it is besides the financial part and age part, people dismiss Cavani too easily like Morata is in his level, he is not at all, and thats why I replied. Some tend to need to be reminded Morata actually hasnt accomplished anything on consistent basis, key part being the word consistent. Morata is a top attacking talent, Cavani is a top top attacker. Is basically a game of potential vs ready made proven quality. And people tend to bridge the gap between in their minds like Morata has already done enough when he is very much work in progress.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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I would take him if we cant find other top options, but he might cost less then 30m, they wont ask for much I think if he is ousted by Mourinho again.


But also I forsee him going to Barcelona for Iniesta role. He still just 27 and still can be a fairly fantastic playmaker. Most here will cry about how little he runs when fact of matter is dude's creavitity and technical ability is on high level. Our options will be likes of Saponara, Vazquez or other random mid level players. Him in comparison is no brainer as AM, instead of the winger he is used as in Man U.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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There is alot of prioritizing and financial burden it would take to upgrade our attack with Cavani. And I get it all. The reason I mention it is besides the financial part and age part, people dismiss Cavani too easily like Morata is in his level, he is not at all, and thats why I replied. Some tend to need to be reminded Morata actually hasnt accomplished anything on consistent basis, key part being the word consistent. Morata is a top attacking talent, Cavani is a top top attacker. Is basically a game of potential vs ready made proven quality. And people tend to bridge the gap between in their minds like Morata has already done enough when he is very much work in progress.
I agree. I thought that Morata would take another step up in level this year but instead he seems more inconsistent and mentally fragil. He has been disappointing and therefor it is fair to label him as a Work in Progress at this moment.

Football is a business and in business the allocation of money between assets/investments is extremely important to secure increase in Cash flow in the future. Therefore in my opinion the money allocated to a purchase of Cavani could be spend more wisely on investing in a youngish AM or CM/playmaker. Enter Gundogan, Mikhitaryan, Bernardo Silva etc.
 

Karim30

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May 6, 2012
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I would take him if we cant find other top options, but he might cost less then 30m, they wont ask for much I think if he is ousted by Mourinho again.


But also I forsee him going to Barcelona for Iniesta role. He still just 27 and still can be a fairly fantastic playmaker. Most here will cry about how little he runs when fact of matter is dude's creavitity and technical ability is on high level. Our options will be likes of Saponara, Vazquez or other random mid level players. Him in comparison is no brainer as AM, instead of the winger he is used as in Man U.
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petersmit

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Mar 14, 2006
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If Mata comes on the mercato some Chinese club is going to offer him 10M+ a year and offer United 50M.. We can't compete with that and will buy vazquez or someone like that
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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We can compete with that for sure, because we dont need to compete money wise, but we are Juventus. If a top player rather wants to play in China when one of the biggiest clubs want him, then he is retiring basically. There is no way stuff like that will happen for players who still have competitive ambition.


Mata I dont see in China at all, I really see him in Barcelona or PSG or such.
 

petersmit

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Mar 14, 2006
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A player like Mata could leave for China and return the year after that with a fat bank account..

Let's face it.. We can't compete with China, EPL, barca&real, bayern..

And I'm glad.. Fuck those money hungry bastards..
 
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