Egypt: the worst country in the world? (2 Viewers)

[Enron]

Do you remember in Prince of Persia they had those spikes that would rise up from the floor when you ran across it? To avoid getting killed you had to jump over them.

I'm thinking a combination of those, landmines, and tecate cans.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

Andy and Fred are correct that in theory since illegal immigrants are indeed illegally in a certain country that they do not share the benefit of that nation's laws.

However, that really does nothing to address the issue. It also doesn't stop international organizations from trying to enforce human rights law, as they would for a refugee or exiled person which exist in an almost similarly exact plight.

Anywho, I think we all know the answer to the immigration issue. And it doesn't include building great walls or mass executions in the Arizona desert.

 

[Enron]

I consider from New Mexico to California to be the same state because it's covered in beaners and porn stars with the occasion white trash man or mormon.

 

[X Æ A-12]

But its not the same. Arizona might be that way but there is shit going down in So Cal even down to the boarder.

Its not an barren desert at all and there are no militias.

 

[Enron]

But its not the same. Arizona might be that way but there is shit going down in So Cal even down to the boarder.

Its not an barren desert at all.

"Shit going down" is not a productive descriptor unless you're on the shitter.

And bull shit, I've seen pictures of California. It's all the same, big ass desert stealing water from the hippies. Porn stars and beaners man, porn stars and beaners.

 

[mikhail]

What is interesting about this sentiment? There are nuts in every debate who are willing to take up extreme measures regardless of the potentially cruel and devastating effects of their actions.

I have to admit to only half-heartedly following the story, but I got the impression that the proposed law in Arizona had quite a bit of support. Not enough in the end, sure, but politicians are very conscious of image, so that didn't surprise me.

 

[X Æ A-12]

"Shit going down" is not a productive descriptor unless you're on the shitter.

And bull shit, I've seen pictures of California. It's all the same, big ass desert stealing water from the hippies. Porn stars and beaners man, porn stars and beaners.

Oh well you must know everything then.

The hippies deserve it anyway after trying to steal our East-Bay Mud water. They aren't worthy of our awesome drinking water.

I have to admit to only half-heartedly following the story, but I got the impression that the proposed law in Arizona had quite a bit of support. Not enough in the end, sure, but politicians are very conscious of image, so that didn't surprise me.

It may have had more support there. To be fair I live in an area where most people are sympathetic to illegals so I'm not exposed to an accurate representation of the average American mentality.

 

[Enron]

Oh well you must know everything then.

The hippies deserve it anyway after trying to steal our East-Bay Mud water. They aren't worthy of our awesome drinking water.

Boy are you easy Kyle. Word of advice, stop being so gullible.

 

[X Æ A-12]

What am I so gullible about?

 

[Bjerknes]

Really? No rights at all?

Well, apart from the right to trial by jury, no, none. They can not have their liberty, property or life taken without proper legal proceedings. That's all the Constitution grants them.

Anywho, I think we all know the answer to the immigration issue. And it doesn't include building great walls or mass executions in the California desert.

What's the answer?

I don't think the answer is allowing illegal immigrants to stay if they get here. That simply promotes more illegal immigration.

 

[Martin]

Well, apart from the right to trial by jury, no, none. They can not have their liberty, property or life taken without proper legal proceedings. That's all the Constitution grants them.

We should clarify what is meant by "rights". Do they have human rights, ie. right to not be tortured or enslaved for example?

 

[Fred]

Oh come on Martin that goes without saying.

 

[Martin]

Oh come on Martin that goes without saying.

Does it? You kept insisting that the government has no responsibilities whatsoever to these people, others said "they have no rights". Who knows what people mean.

 

[Fred]

Does it? You kept insisting that the government has no responsibilities whatsoever to these people, others said "they have no rights". Who knows what people mean.

You really think theres a possibility that me or Andy or Kyle would believe it a governments right to enslave illegal immigrants or torture them?

This is exactly what i don't like in these kind of debates, whenever theres a party that is against illegal immigration and believes it should be eradicated, they are immediately branded racists or against human rights.

 

[Bjerknes]

You really think theres a possibility that me or Andy or Kyle would believe it a governments right to enslave illegal immigrants or torture them?

This is exactly what i don't like in these kind of debates, whenever theres a party that is against illegal immigration and believes it should be eradicated, they are immediately branded racists or against human rights.

Well, that's all they've got to stand upon. Liberals have some good qualities to them, but in this discussion, they will always be wrong.

 

[Martin]

You really think theres a possibility that me or Andy or Kyle would believe it a governments right to enslave illegal immigrants or torture them?

This is exactly what i don't like in these kind of debates, whenever theres a party that is against illegal immigration and believes it should be eradicated, they are immediately branded racists or against human rights.

I had no opinion on the issue until Seven wrote a post in which he mentioned human rights. Which was so to say rebuffed. Resulting from which I didn't know what had been implied, therefore I brought it up myself.

 

[Seven]

Fred,

Andy just claimed they have no human rights. Read his posts. And please read the declaration too. You might be surprised.

 

[Bjerknes]

Fred,

Andy just claimed they have no human rights. Read his posts. And please read the declaration too. You might be surprised.

Re-read my posts, jackass.

 

[Fred]

Fred,

Andy just claimed they have no human rights. Read his posts. And please read the declaration too. You might be surprised.

Well when you read his sentence "illegal immigrants have no rights" literally, that is what that sentence means. But we all know thats not what Andy meant, and we all know that, so why nitpick on linguistics?

 

[Enron]

What's the answer?

Stopping companies from hiring via either raising fines, increasing enforcement, etc. I've heard suggestions that companies found frequently hiring undocumented workers should lose certain tax breaks. That's not a bad suggestion. There are a number of things we can do, but we don't.

What most people realize is that illegal immigration isn't some steady stream of people crossing the US border 24/7. It's very much an organized business these days from the guys in Mexico to the guys on our side everyone gets a cut.

Some corporations even legally bring workers into the country buy purchasing month long work visas and just not returning the workers back to whatever country they came from.

You can hate on spics til your blue in the face, but the truth it they aren't the entire problem. It's more of the system failure these days.