Egypt: the worst country in the world? (2 Viewers)

[Zé Tahir]

I don't like how people here blame Mexicans for taking "their" jobs. That's nonsense. It's the companies that hire them that are the real criminals and you can't blame someone for coming here and taking those jobs to get a better life.

 

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[Fred]

Well, I am against it. But I would say that's the employer's choice.

So its ok if an employer decides he doesn't want to hire "niggers", its his choice?

 

[Enron]

I don't like how people here blame Mexicans for taking "their" jobs. That's nonsense. It's the companies that hire them that are the real criminals and you can't blame someone for coming here and taking those jobs to get a better life.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I've never lost a job to a spanish speaking person, though I have lost quite a few to women and blacks.

 

[Fred]

I don't like how people here blame Mexicans for taking "their" jobs. That's nonsense. It's the companies that hire them that are the real criminals and you can't blame someone for coming here and taking those jobs to get a better life.

What Mexicans? The illegal immigrants?

 

[Enron]

So its ok if an employer decides he doesn't want to hire "niggers", its his choice?

The idea is that a choice like that will be met with disdain by the population.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

So its ok if an employer decides he doesn't want to hire "niggers", its his choice?

As I said, it may be wrong, but it's his business. You shouldn't have to have a reason for not wanting someone to work for you.

 

[Enron]

What Mexicans? The illegal immigrants?

Yes, when someone says Mexicans in America they mean illegals.

 

[Fred]

Glad we straightened that out

 

[Zé Tahir]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I've never lost a job to a spanish speaking person, though I have lost quite a few to women and blacks.

Damn right

What Mexicans? The illegal immigrants?

Both legal and illegal. I have a hard time believing the most powerful nation in the world can't police it's borders. They have technology to kill someone across the globe without taking a footstep out their door but a few Mexicans hopping the border go undetected?

 

[Enron]

Both legal and illegal. I have a hard time believing the most powerful nation in the world can't police it's borders. They have technology to kill someone across the globe without taking a footstep out their door but a few Mexicans hopping the border go undetected?

To be fair the majority of our military isn't exactly in the neighborhood these days and the funds that would raise enough border patrol to adequately remedy the issue aren't readily available.

 

[Zé Tahir]

To be fair the majority of our military isn't exactly in the neighborhood these days and the funds that would raise enough border patrol to adequately remedy the issue aren't readily available.

To be fair illegal immigration has been going on for longer than the War on Terror. Besides, the number of illegals already here and working go unchecked. So if they can't stop their entry at least stop them from working.

 

[Enron]

To be fair illegal immigration has been going on for longer than the War on Terror. Besides, the number of illegals already here and working go unchecked. So if they can't stop their entry at least stop them from working.

Do we really want them to stop working? I don't think so.

Sure we could build massive walls and pay people to man them to keep out immos, but we don't and we won't. There's a reason immigration is a giant issue that never gets solved.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Do we really want them to stop working? I don't think so.

Sure we could build massive walls and pay people to man them to keep out immos, but we don't and we won't. There's a reason immigration is a giant issue that never gets solved.

Exactly my point

I just wish people wouldn't direct their anger at the "Mexicans". It's not their fault and you can't blame them for trying to live a better life.

 

[mikhail]

Of course much of America has that mentality just not where I'm at. Alot of people want to protect the rights of CA's "undocumented workers" which is just straight crazy IMO.

Legal immigrants I have no problem with.

I'd say that was about labour laws (preventing exploitation of illegal immigrants from undermining the working conditions of everyone), but then the US has never really had any truck with those.

Then there are the kinds of laws that let a cop ask a swarthy-looking fellow to prove he's in the country legally. In most free countries, the correct answer to that request is, "No." The alternative is a "papers please" society.

 

[Bjerknes]

I don't like how people here blame Mexicans for taking "their" jobs. That's nonsense. It's the companies that hire them that are the real criminals and you can't blame someone for coming here and taking those jobs to get a better life.

What? You can't blame someone for breaking the law?

Yeah, that works if you live in Mexico, but it should not work here. Of course some companies will try to employ illegals, but since they have agents in the government, they get away with lots of crap. But just because some in government or on Wall Street break the law, it doesn't give others a right to do so. This nation needs a major overhaul on cracking down on those who commit white collar crimes, certainly. But it's not going to work if we start allowing lower classes to commit crimes. What's the sense in that?

As someone who is a legal immigrant, how can you respect illegals? You and your family went through proper channels to come here, actually putting the respectable effort in to do so, yet all these leechfucks simply took the easy way out. The illegals actually give the legals a bad name, albeit wrongly, but that's just what they do. So why support them?

Look, you are either for open borders or you are for controlled borders. This goes to anybody out there. If you side with illegals, then you encourage open border policy. Unfortunately for some, there cannot be any middle ground here as any sort of negotiation is only another source of encouragement for folks willing to take the chance to come here... even when there is no actual proof they will get a job or create a better life for their family.

And this isn't any right-wing or left-wing bullshit. You can't have thousands of people coming here illegally every year and not have a negative outcome.

Damn right



Both legal and illegal. I have a hard time believing the most powerful nation in the world can't police it's borders. They have technology to kill someone across the globe without taking a footstep out their door but a few Mexicans hopping the border go undetected?

There's an argument to make that both certain factions in the government and certain corporations want illegal immigration to continue. Apart from the cheap labor, corporate America needs more consumers. As soon as the consumer is dead (they are close to death now, as nobody is willing or able to borrow, so the life of using the credit card for consumption is coming to an end now), then corporations and the government will have major problems on its hands for multiple reasons. So this could be a reason why the federal government does not crack down on illegals.

But since they are still breaking the law, they can go to hell. Come here legally like a true citizen if you want citizenship. Why is this so hard to ask? From illegals to corrupt banksters, they all need to go to hell.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Exactly my point

I just wish people wouldn't direct their anger at the "Mexicans". It's not their fault and you can't blame them for trying to live a better life.

I agree with this somewhat. The state needs to come down hard on anyone caught knowingly hiring illegals.

I'd say that was about labour laws (preventing exploitation of illegal immigrants from undermining the working conditions of everyone), but then the US has never really had any truck with those.

Then there are the kinds of laws that let a cop ask a swarthy-looking fellow to prove he's in the country legally. In most free countries, the correct answer to that request is, "No." The alternative is a "papers please" society.

There is no such law on the books. Look it up, thats what was proposed in Arizona but the bill that actually passed in no way gives law enforcement the right to stop someone for "looking hispanic".

 

[Zé Tahir]

@Andy: Of course I don't support illegal immigration and I do see it as a crime. I guess I didn't make myself clear...I think some people in this country have adopted a racist approach when it come to Mexicans. While obviously those of them that are here are breaking the law it's pretty damn narrow minded of people to racially abuse them for it. The root of the problem is way beyond them and that's where their efforts should be directed at.

Yes, I'm for closed borders but ffs it doesn't take Albert Einstein to realize that they're almost on purpose left open for these people to slip in.

 

[Bjerknes]

@Andy: Of course I don't support illegal immigration and I do see it as a crime. I guess I didn't make myself clear...I think some people in this country have adopted a racist approach when it come to Mexicans. While obviously those of them that are here are breaking the law it's pretty damn narrow minded of people to racially abuse them for it. The root of the problem is way beyond them and that's where their efforts should be directed at.

Yes, I'm for closed borders but ffs it doesn't take Albert Einstein to realize that they're almost on purpose left open for these people to slip in.

Well, the root of the problem is probably Mexico itself... a country that is lawless, open to massive corruption on all levels, and one that will further deteriorate as laws are not enforced. It also has to do with the drug trade for sure, one that can only be stopped by legalization... probably.

Tahir, your second point is open to interpretation. If you do a statistical analysis of illegal aliens, the illegal population does not consist of Mexicans entirely. But unfortunately, the majority are Mexicans, regardless of whatever background they have. Unfortunately for legal Mexican immigrants, the vast majority of illegal Mexican immigrants are of the same makeup. This is incredibly problematic for Mexican Americans who don't deserve any persecution. But as long as illegal Mexicans infiltrate the country, some measures have to be taken to resolve the issue, whether they have been here for two days or two years. And unfortunately, some racial profiling will exist.

Perhaps the best folks to deal with the illegal immigration issue are legal immigrants themselves, especially Mexican Americans. But from what I've seen, very few legalized US citizens or legal immigrants actually take part in dealing with the issue. Most of the time I see them condoning illegal immigration. So as long as that continues, those that legally find a living here are creating a highly volatile atmosphere for themselves.

 

[ReBeL]

Interesting stats about Jordan

As if everybody in the world is dying on the borders to get into it to work.

 

[Seven]

Of course much of America has that mentality just not where I'm at. Alot of people want to protect the rights of CA's "undocumented workers" which is just straight crazy IMO.

Legal immigrants I have no problem with.

It's not crazy at all. If you don't protect their rights, all you get is exploited illegal immigrants. You don't create more jobs for locals at all, you just violate human rights. Protecting the rights of undocumented workers is one of the most important things one can do.