i will reply in the coming few hours k.o for the mean time this is cario at the moment: i think this says it all.
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that plus his sons who were involved in a lot of economical scandals of corruption were given innocence. this goes with out saying his youngest son Gamal was involved in the killing of youth. there were a lot of evidence that was destroyed and its very well documented hence why the people are out raged. no one is pissed off at what mubarak or the minister of interior, infact they could'nt care less about these two they got sth bare-able, but his asistants who were on the ground and gave the orders to open fire were give a walk away!!! thats why the people are pissed off beyond belief. today i rode the under ground after the verdict and i swear to god i never saw people this depressed in a very long time, it really reminded me of mubaraks final year in power people in egypt in general are fun loving people who love to joke, but not today at all.
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here you go why this revolution happened,
and the actual events and how social media helped bring this change:
that plus his sons who were involved in a lot of economical scandals of corruption were given innocence. this goes with out saying his youngest son Gamal was involved in the killing of youth. there were a lot of evidence that was destroyed and its very well documented hence why the people are out raged. no one is pissed off at what mubarak or the minister of interior, infact they could'nt care less about these two they got sth bare-able, but his asistants who were on the ground and gave the orders to open fire were give a walk away!!! thats why the people are pissed off beyond belief. today i rode the under ground after the verdict and i swear to god i never saw people this depressed in a very long time, it really reminded me of mubaraks final year in power people in egypt in general are fun loving people who love to joke, but not today at all.---------- Post added 03.06.2012 at 01:57 ----------
here you go why this revolution happened,
and the actual events and how social media helped bring this change:
found this really interesting, although i dont agree 100% with it but it explains the military council's stand from the start:
May 27th, 2012 14:52
EGYPT: AHMED SHAFIK, THE CIA’S MAN FOR PRESIDENT!
By nikos_retsos
The Egyptians had a Arab Spring that turned into a Revolution! And they thought they won it! And they were ecstatic, and they celebrated! But suddenly the revolution vanished! And it looks
now that the Revolution was like a magician’s trick: “Now you see it; Now you don’t!” What happened? Well, the Revolution was hijacked, by the Egyptian Army, under a U.S. demand to
contain the damage to the U.S. interests in Middle East.
Former president Hosni Mubarak had pledged not to resign during the massive continuous protests, and the U.S. was fearful that there may be a military coup by lower officers, the so-called Naserites, as it happened in 1953 under Gamal Abdel Nasser. To prevent this, the U.S. ordered the Egyptian General to overthrow Mubarak. Mubarak was then shown on TV moody while he was escorted to a military helicopter under guard to be put under house arrest in his Sinai vacation home. Then his VP Omar Suleiman went on TV to tell Egyptians that Mubarak had resigned. He didn’t, but the military junta told Mubarak to keep quiet, or go to prison for life. Mubarak did, there was a short farcical trial, and Mubarak lives now untouched in splendor at his Sinai villa!
Why did the Egyptian Generals take orders from the U.S.? a) Without U.S. arms, supplies, funding and spare parts, the Egyptian army will be strip-naked! b) U.S. aid has helped the Egyptian Generals to control a vast array of industries that experts estimate as 20% of the Egyptian economy. That makes them as rich as the Saudi princess, courtesy of their relations and subservience to the U.S. Can they do without the U.S. arms and money? NO! They have little oil and natural gas. They are as dependent to the U.S. as the Afghan government of Hamid Karzai is, except they don’t have a Taliban insurgency to deal with!
When the U.S. ordered the Egyptian junta to overthrow Mubarak, the U.S. also initiated other plans “to stabilize Egypt,” a euphemism for subverting the revolution and maintaining the status quo. Immediately, the U.S. Congress appropriated plenty of $$$$ millions to fund NGO’s, like the International Republican Institute, NDI, Freedom House, and in synch with other European NGOs, they set the stage to corral the Egyptian Revolution. When some Egyptians started to wonder why no foreign NGOs came to promote democracy during Mubarak’s 30 years of despotic rule, and now they flooded Egypt, the Egyptian Generals arrested Sam LaHood, the son of the U.S. Transportation Secretary, in a smokescreen effort to show Egyptians that foreigners will not design Egypt’s future! But they will.
With plenty of U.S. money and NGOs, and with the full support of the Egyptian military junta, the former Mubarak prime minister Ahmed Shafik has risen to the top. The U.S. just flipped the Egyptian Revolution like a coin; the Mubarak side went down; the Shafik side came up. Bet won. The ultimate goal? Prevent Egypt from becoming an Islamic Republic like Iran!
The U.S. effort to hijack the Egyptian Revolution is the second, after a similar effort to hijack the Libyan Revolution by forcing the Transitional National Council to appoint two U.S. citizens and Libyan expatriates, Mahmud Jibril, as prime minister, and Khalifa Hiftar as Supreme Commander of the New Libyan Army. They were fired after I exposed them here in my December 11, 2011, blog here, and then the Radio 17 in Libya posted my blog on its website, on Facebook, and other Arab newspapers. Afterward, Libyan rebel commanders demanded their firing from the TNC, and Abdel Hakim Belhai, the Libyan rebel commander who took Tripoli from Gadhagi’s forces, and who claim to have been tortured by the CIA in Bangkok, Thailand, run a gun battle with Khalifa Hiftar when he tried to take control of Tripoli’s airport. Belhai demanded the dismissal of Hiftar, and the TNC obliged.
There are no rebel commanders in Egypt to save the revolution, as Egypt’s military commanders removed Mubarak and took control of it themselves! The Egyptians now fume against their junta, but the junta is crashing their skulls under the pretext of stability! General Hussein Tantawi is the new U.S. Augusto Pinochet in Cairo, and the U.S. choice for Egyptian president is Ahmed Shafik!
During the Serbia-Kosovo conflict, U.S. senator John McCain told reporters: “We (the U.S.) are a superpower; we cannot lose!,” on quote. The U.S. “cannot lose” in Egypt either! It has Egypt’s military in a chock-hold, and the Egyptian military has the Revolution in a chock-hold! Nikos Retsos, retired professor, USA
Source: http://my.telegraph.co.uk/retsos_ni...ypt-ahmed-shafik-the-cia’s-man-for-president/
May 27th, 2012 14:52
EGYPT: AHMED SHAFIK, THE CIA’S MAN FOR PRESIDENT!
By nikos_retsos
The Egyptians had a Arab Spring that turned into a Revolution! And they thought they won it! And they were ecstatic, and they celebrated! But suddenly the revolution vanished! And it looks
now that the Revolution was like a magician’s trick: “Now you see it; Now you don’t!” What happened? Well, the Revolution was hijacked, by the Egyptian Army, under a U.S. demand to
contain the damage to the U.S. interests in Middle East.
Former president Hosni Mubarak had pledged not to resign during the massive continuous protests, and the U.S. was fearful that there may be a military coup by lower officers, the so-called Naserites, as it happened in 1953 under Gamal Abdel Nasser. To prevent this, the U.S. ordered the Egyptian General to overthrow Mubarak. Mubarak was then shown on TV moody while he was escorted to a military helicopter under guard to be put under house arrest in his Sinai vacation home. Then his VP Omar Suleiman went on TV to tell Egyptians that Mubarak had resigned. He didn’t, but the military junta told Mubarak to keep quiet, or go to prison for life. Mubarak did, there was a short farcical trial, and Mubarak lives now untouched in splendor at his Sinai villa!
Why did the Egyptian Generals take orders from the U.S.? a) Without U.S. arms, supplies, funding and spare parts, the Egyptian army will be strip-naked! b) U.S. aid has helped the Egyptian Generals to control a vast array of industries that experts estimate as 20% of the Egyptian economy. That makes them as rich as the Saudi princess, courtesy of their relations and subservience to the U.S. Can they do without the U.S. arms and money? NO! They have little oil and natural gas. They are as dependent to the U.S. as the Afghan government of Hamid Karzai is, except they don’t have a Taliban insurgency to deal with!
When the U.S. ordered the Egyptian junta to overthrow Mubarak, the U.S. also initiated other plans “to stabilize Egypt,” a euphemism for subverting the revolution and maintaining the status quo. Immediately, the U.S. Congress appropriated plenty of $$$$ millions to fund NGO’s, like the International Republican Institute, NDI, Freedom House, and in synch with other European NGOs, they set the stage to corral the Egyptian Revolution. When some Egyptians started to wonder why no foreign NGOs came to promote democracy during Mubarak’s 30 years of despotic rule, and now they flooded Egypt, the Egyptian Generals arrested Sam LaHood, the son of the U.S. Transportation Secretary, in a smokescreen effort to show Egyptians that foreigners will not design Egypt’s future! But they will.
With plenty of U.S. money and NGOs, and with the full support of the Egyptian military junta, the former Mubarak prime minister Ahmed Shafik has risen to the top. The U.S. just flipped the Egyptian Revolution like a coin; the Mubarak side went down; the Shafik side came up. Bet won. The ultimate goal? Prevent Egypt from becoming an Islamic Republic like Iran!
The U.S. effort to hijack the Egyptian Revolution is the second, after a similar effort to hijack the Libyan Revolution by forcing the Transitional National Council to appoint two U.S. citizens and Libyan expatriates, Mahmud Jibril, as prime minister, and Khalifa Hiftar as Supreme Commander of the New Libyan Army. They were fired after I exposed them here in my December 11, 2011, blog here, and then the Radio 17 in Libya posted my blog on its website, on Facebook, and other Arab newspapers. Afterward, Libyan rebel commanders demanded their firing from the TNC, and Abdel Hakim Belhai, the Libyan rebel commander who took Tripoli from Gadhagi’s forces, and who claim to have been tortured by the CIA in Bangkok, Thailand, run a gun battle with Khalifa Hiftar when he tried to take control of Tripoli’s airport. Belhai demanded the dismissal of Hiftar, and the TNC obliged.
There are no rebel commanders in Egypt to save the revolution, as Egypt’s military commanders removed Mubarak and took control of it themselves! The Egyptians now fume against their junta, but the junta is crashing their skulls under the pretext of stability! General Hussein Tantawi is the new U.S. Augusto Pinochet in Cairo, and the U.S. choice for Egyptian president is Ahmed Shafik!
During the Serbia-Kosovo conflict, U.S. senator John McCain told reporters: “We (the U.S.) are a superpower; we cannot lose!,” on quote. The U.S. “cannot lose” in Egypt either! It has Egypt’s military in a chock-hold, and the Egyptian military has the Revolution in a chock-hold! Nikos Retsos, retired professor, USA
Source: http://my.telegraph.co.uk/retsos_ni...ypt-ahmed-shafik-the-cia’s-man-for-president/
honestly bro it makes no difference who comes, both are shit and a lot of people hate both. if the plot we witnessed for the past year and a half means sth i think shafik will win this one to be honest. bottom line both will be puppets for the military council. between you and me with the people's cabinet removed ( the parliament) and the constitution written by the military i am not as frightened as i was earlier bec prior to this move the muslim brotherhood and as expected wanted to take control of everything with out regard to the rest of this people making up this country!! so the beardies not writing the constitution makes me the happiest man. as for the parliament with all due respect they were merely working on bettering our lives and it was a stunt pulled by the military council to show the people how horrible life would be with them in charge. the military council played this well, and like every one expected once the military butts in its a totally different game and the egyptains are paying the price for it. i think we will pay the price soon to be honest bec there are new laws passed out now that give the military police the right to detain you if they have any suspicions about you!! meaning people trying to rally against them or against the results of the presidential elections will be zipped up and shipped away.
as for the lesser of 2 evil for me ahmed, well i think the lesser is morsy, bec should the people figure out there plans for ultimate power the military will allow people to rally against him and they might as well give the final push the same way they did with mubarak. lets not forget the rivalry and hate that extends from the early 50's between the muslim brotherhood and the military council. in my opinion the only reason we r in the state we are at the moment is soley on the muslim brotherhood being greedy and hence loosing a lot of there appeal in this country. you cant imagine the amount of people voting for shafik a Representative of the same regime a year and a half ago people removed. i cant blame them to be honest bec people are suffering massively and the youth sadly cant understand this point which has made a lot of people get bored and irritated with tahrir stand offs which is the only thing that gives people some hope. once again the military council has played this out to get egyptains to this point where yr average egyptain has grown to hate tahrir with great passion.
all in all i want the country to stand up, and for life to get back to normal this is'nt a life to be honest. i think the building blocks for the next four years need to be done now, so that the youth the same youth that has taken part of this revolution can run successfully for elections instead of all these 60+ year old presidential candidates.
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abel what does ahmed rehab think of this?? or the egyptains you know?
as for the lesser of 2 evil for me ahmed, well i think the lesser is morsy, bec should the people figure out there plans for ultimate power the military will allow people to rally against him and they might as well give the final push the same way they did with mubarak. lets not forget the rivalry and hate that extends from the early 50's between the muslim brotherhood and the military council. in my opinion the only reason we r in the state we are at the moment is soley on the muslim brotherhood being greedy and hence loosing a lot of there appeal in this country. you cant imagine the amount of people voting for shafik a Representative of the same regime a year and a half ago people removed. i cant blame them to be honest bec people are suffering massively and the youth sadly cant understand this point which has made a lot of people get bored and irritated with tahrir stand offs which is the only thing that gives people some hope. once again the military council has played this out to get egyptains to this point where yr average egyptain has grown to hate tahrir with great passion.
all in all i want the country to stand up, and for life to get back to normal this is'nt a life to be honest. i think the building blocks for the next four years need to be done now, so that the youth the same youth that has taken part of this revolution can run successfully for elections instead of all these 60+ year old presidential candidates.
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abel what does ahmed rehab think of this?? or the egyptains you know?
i know ahmed thinks just like you 
hes in egypt at the moment actually, working on some documentary
hes in egypt at the moment actually, working on some documentary
he knows the MB be trolling!!! 
but this week its naive mb vs evil satanic military council. i'm happy bec the muslim brother hood ditched the revolution and egyptains from the the 11th of feb 2011 and since they only thought of whats best for them come and get some!!! thank god and i cant stress on this Abel egyptains finally saw how hypocritical the mb is!!! and there distant cousins the salafists. now we need to watch and see what this week holds for us actually what the coming few hours hold for us. if its morsy this is a show i want to watch! bec its a loosing battle the mb cant match the military with all its systems in tact. the intelligence, the military police, the military intelligence etc etc are too hard to compete with and with a population sleeping with the military its going to be interesting.conclusion: the mb should've stuck with the youth on this bec they knew the military council was going to fuck every one up but they choose other wise and jumped to the stage so enjoy....
no doubt, although i have a few reservations on this to be honest deneb. for me and i always had this opinion even during mubarak's time, the problem with egypt is three things and in my opinion they r divided equally. factors:
1- the regime
2- the people ( every single one of us)
3- foreign policies
to say we r where we are today solely on the previous regime then i think we r just joking around. i think now we can at least have some sort of say with factor one but it will go in vain if we the people dont change and dont try to change our selves to better our selves. as for factor three it will change once you fix both one and two other than that we r wasting our time and wasting souls/ some might say factor three might not give u that chance to stand and fix but i think the world has changed and egyptains are no longer naive and this was evident for example when the us adminstration had to change there verdict nearly over night from out right support to miubarak to requesting he gives in to the people. ( i'm not naive to believe tis is bec they care about us etc etc they have there policies and they have to care for there interests the same way we have interests but foriegn interests need to be put a side as selfish as it may sound but right now egypt needs to foccus on fixing everything that led us to the darkest pit in our history and if i had a say i would go with fixing the education system!!! then we take it from there by fixing the rest of out 30 years of corruption has caused.
1- the regime
2- the people ( every single one of us)
3- foreign policies
to say we r where we are today solely on the previous regime then i think we r just joking around. i think now we can at least have some sort of say with factor one but it will go in vain if we the people dont change and dont try to change our selves to better our selves. as for factor three it will change once you fix both one and two other than that we r wasting our time and wasting souls/ some might say factor three might not give u that chance to stand and fix but i think the world has changed and egyptains are no longer naive and this was evident for example when the us adminstration had to change there verdict nearly over night from out right support to miubarak to requesting he gives in to the people. ( i'm not naive to believe tis is bec they care about us etc etc they have there policies and they have to care for there interests the same way we have interests but foriegn interests need to be put a side as selfish as it may sound but right now egypt needs to foccus on fixing everything that led us to the darkest pit in our history and if i had a say i would go with fixing the education system!!! then we take it from there by fixing the rest of out 30 years of corruption has caused.
muslim brotherhood canditate is almost officially announced president of egypt.
my personal thoughts: expected ever since the add on's to the constitution have been announced!!
i feel indifferent as i boycotted these elections bec i think both canditates were shit, but this guy is the lesser of the two evils. should be interesting to see if they will accept being a poster president or not. if they accept they then sign there death certificate. we shall see now what will happen.
my personal thoughts: expected ever since the add on's to the constitution have been announced!!
i feel indifferent as i boycotted these elections bec i think both canditates were shit, but this guy is the lesser of the two evils. should be interesting to see if they will accept being a poster president or not. if they accept they then sign there death certificate. we shall see now what will happen.
his speech seems to be balanced but i dont know why i just lost trust in these people to be honest.
personally i dont care what he does, as long as this country does'nt become a religous state where religion is used to control and keep a lid on people. i'm so against this. in his speech he has denied that this country is a religous state so here is hoping he is honest in this one. i guess i have no choice but be naive at the moment until we know more in the coming few days.
once again he will have limited say in how the country works, with most of the cards being with the military council. now the revolutionaries are pressing for people to go down to tahrir to remove the military council and we shall see what the muslim brotherhood's stand will be. if they refuse or ditch the people like they have been doing when things might effect what ever small gain they have, then expect people to ask for him to step aside from the start. if they go down with the people then i think the scaf will for the first time ever since this revolution started will be cornered. now if the muslim brother hood dont go take it as a fact they have a deal with the military and it wont be the first time.
any way its 4:30 am cairo time so its way past my bed time and i think i've had enough for the day so arrivideciiiiiii nerdizzles. should this country turn into a religious state i expect invitation visa's in my inbox north america is more than welcome just dont send me to the mexicans i wont last!! europe i will come swimming in a heart beat. good night tuz.
personally i dont care what he does, as long as this country does'nt become a religous state where religion is used to control and keep a lid on people. i'm so against this. in his speech he has denied that this country is a religous state so here is hoping he is honest in this one. i guess i have no choice but be naive at the moment until we know more in the coming few days.
once again he will have limited say in how the country works, with most of the cards being with the military council. now the revolutionaries are pressing for people to go down to tahrir to remove the military council and we shall see what the muslim brotherhood's stand will be. if they refuse or ditch the people like they have been doing when things might effect what ever small gain they have, then expect people to ask for him to step aside from the start. if they go down with the people then i think the scaf will for the first time ever since this revolution started will be cornered. now if the muslim brother hood dont go take it as a fact they have a deal with the military and it wont be the first time.
any way its 4:30 am cairo time so its way past my bed time and i think i've had enough for the day so arrivideciiiiiii nerdizzles. should this country turn into a religious state i expect invitation visa's in my inbox
north america is more than welcome just dont send me to the mexicans i wont last!! europe i will come swimming in a heart beat. good night tuz.
makes sense, gives a semblance of democratic process and appease the people behind the brotherhood. And hey Bisco if you come down here you got plenty of friends
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nah they said they will wait for the official release from the presidential election commitee as they dont believe the results stated by the MB which is legit but people are celebrating in tahrir although not a lot bec you need to remember egyptains or the majority did not choose morsi for morsi or bec his project is any good but bec they dont want a representative of the previous regime.
