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Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (43 Viewers)
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not so peaceful the protests...
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/20138147553170355.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/20138147553170355.html
I'd rather burn in hell than share eternal paradise with you and your likes you foolish, pathetic excuse of a human being. Your bigoted hatred and continual support of a bunch of thugs and criminals who have violated every rule (not to mention religious teachings) beggars belief and is beyond any realm of comprehension known to man. You are a sad and lost cause.
I shall ignore him from now on; it is much easier that way. If someone is too stubborn and ignorant that he refuses to become more informed and enlightened regarding a certain topic he himself knows little about (yes Turk, you may be knowledgeable in Islam, but you have absolutely no clue regarding what is going on in Egypt; CNN, Al Jazeera and all those fucking media sources that you use/quote are so pro Morsi and his thugs it is absolutely sickening) then there is no point in continuing the discussion. It is like talking football with Arsenal or Inter/Milan fans.
B81 don't lose your temper DA 3ayal hafez mesh fahem, zay el kerfan ele 3andena bos 3ala el 3ars erdogan mentak ezay. I understand you are short tempered because your family is there and it didn't look pretty. Hopefully it will be wrapped soon. Army is going down now and they don't joke with these terrorists.
Breaking news: curfew announced.... Started already at 4pm Cairo local time. State if emergency declared for a month. I can Safely say the curfew is in perfect timing. Now any one in streets will be detained or shot they can't be more clear than this. If mb supporters feel they e defending Islam well tough luck prom queen awaits you... Sorry if I sound heart less but these acts of violence by these pests will not be tolerated full stop. Burning of churches and attacking other civilians is not the way to go, and sure as hell carrying arms and playing god will not be accepted.
Before some smartass accuse me of posting articles written by Islamist bigots, author of this article is an Armenian.
Pharaohs of the West and the East
A tragedy took place last night in Egypt. Hoping that we would wake up to a beautiful summer morning, we instead saw that the military administration murdered 10 people in the raids in two squares. Unfortunately, the death toll increased to 120 in a very short time.
The number of wounded was reported as 7,000. I hope this number does not increase any more.
The West committed a huge mistake by supporting the coup in Egypt. Unless a radical change of attitude is adopted, I believe this might be a turning point for the Western civilization. Supporting a coup, which is basically a betrayal of democratic values, remaining silent to the massacres by the coup administration and legitimizing the coup and the massacres in the media could be a turning point for Western democracy and a return to its dark ages.
Why am I saying this? The Egyptian people, getting rid of the remnants of the colonial period and its dictators, have started a bold and promising process of democratization. Furthermore, they did this by nonviolent methods and in reliance on technological tools, including social media. This referred to a mindset that would embrace the democratic tendency which is the major claim and tenet of Western civilization. No one would argue that democracy would arrive in Egypt in a week. But at the very least a process free of dictators has begun.
Normally, the West should have supported this development given that it wanted to keep Islam away from extremes like al-Qaeda and make it compatible with Western democratic values. What else could have been a better opportunity to achieve this?
However, in his first year in office, President Mohammed Morsi, the first democratically elected president of Egypt, was ousted by a coup that the West supported. Following the coup, queues at gas stations disappeared. Economic aid was extended to the coup makers. All praised the coup makers and blamed the victims. What was it they were hoping for? A movement which was trying to engage in politics came to power after a painful struggle. This should have pleased the West because radicalism becomes marginalized where politics get stronger.
But this did not happen. Another massacre was committed yesterday. Some commentators in Turkey criticized the Muslim Brotherhood for not bowing to the coup makers. Those who made remarks supportive of democracy in the Gezi crisis, those who declared Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan a dictator actually supported violence and the coup in Egypt. Not only that, Erdoğan and Turkey were the only leader and state to stand against the Egyptian coup in the world.
This is pretty confusing, isn't it?
Actually, no, it is not. It is as old as world history that the mindsets suffering from the entanglements of realpolitik twist reality to serve their interests. No one should be surprised by that.
Now the only hope that Gen. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and the coup supporters held is a violent response by the Brotherhood. This has not happened thus far. Gen. Sisi and his supporters are having difficulties now that the psychological threshold has been passed. The Muslim Brotherhood should be dragged into violence because it believes this is the only way out for it. And it is actually right. When violence is answered with violence, the stronger win and no one questions who was right in the first place. I hope the Brotherhood does not make this mistake because its patience is really being tested.
If you resist coups and massacres anywhere in the world, this means you support peace at home, because no coup maker and no pharaoh would stand against prolonged opposition. Looking at the matter from the perspective of human rights and democratic values makes the whole discussion simpler.
http://todayszaman.com/columnist-323521-pharaohs-of-the-west-and-the-east.html
Pharaohs of the West and the East
A tragedy took place last night in Egypt. Hoping that we would wake up to a beautiful summer morning, we instead saw that the military administration murdered 10 people in the raids in two squares. Unfortunately, the death toll increased to 120 in a very short time.
The number of wounded was reported as 7,000. I hope this number does not increase any more.
The West committed a huge mistake by supporting the coup in Egypt. Unless a radical change of attitude is adopted, I believe this might be a turning point for the Western civilization. Supporting a coup, which is basically a betrayal of democratic values, remaining silent to the massacres by the coup administration and legitimizing the coup and the massacres in the media could be a turning point for Western democracy and a return to its dark ages.
Why am I saying this? The Egyptian people, getting rid of the remnants of the colonial period and its dictators, have started a bold and promising process of democratization. Furthermore, they did this by nonviolent methods and in reliance on technological tools, including social media. This referred to a mindset that would embrace the democratic tendency which is the major claim and tenet of Western civilization. No one would argue that democracy would arrive in Egypt in a week. But at the very least a process free of dictators has begun.
Normally, the West should have supported this development given that it wanted to keep Islam away from extremes like al-Qaeda and make it compatible with Western democratic values. What else could have been a better opportunity to achieve this?
However, in his first year in office, President Mohammed Morsi, the first democratically elected president of Egypt, was ousted by a coup that the West supported. Following the coup, queues at gas stations disappeared. Economic aid was extended to the coup makers. All praised the coup makers and blamed the victims. What was it they were hoping for? A movement which was trying to engage in politics came to power after a painful struggle. This should have pleased the West because radicalism becomes marginalized where politics get stronger.
But this did not happen. Another massacre was committed yesterday. Some commentators in Turkey criticized the Muslim Brotherhood for not bowing to the coup makers. Those who made remarks supportive of democracy in the Gezi crisis, those who declared Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan a dictator actually supported violence and the coup in Egypt. Not only that, Erdoğan and Turkey were the only leader and state to stand against the Egyptian coup in the world.
This is pretty confusing, isn't it?
Actually, no, it is not. It is as old as world history that the mindsets suffering from the entanglements of realpolitik twist reality to serve their interests. No one should be surprised by that.
Now the only hope that Gen. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and the coup supporters held is a violent response by the Brotherhood. This has not happened thus far. Gen. Sisi and his supporters are having difficulties now that the psychological threshold has been passed. The Muslim Brotherhood should be dragged into violence because it believes this is the only way out for it. And it is actually right. When violence is answered with violence, the stronger win and no one questions who was right in the first place. I hope the Brotherhood does not make this mistake because its patience is really being tested.
If you resist coups and massacres anywhere in the world, this means you support peace at home, because no coup maker and no pharaoh would stand against prolonged opposition. Looking at the matter from the perspective of human rights and democratic values makes the whole discussion simpler.
http://todayszaman.com/columnist-323521-pharaohs-of-the-west-and-the-east.html