Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (20 Viewers)

[Turk_Bianconero]

And their rights? You think a christian should have his hand chopped off for theft?

You're too focused on sterotypes like that. How many times someone got his hand chopped in 600 years of Ottoman era?
Why aren't you half as sensitive when it comes to millions of muslims forced to live under anti-islamic laws for a century?

really?? like the burning of churches? like the killing of 4 shites??

There is nothing Islamic about burning of churches. Opressing people will not help the cause though. They will be encouraged to do more mistakes like that.

 

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[Bisco]

Shiites Bisco

Shite is poop

my bad sorry i'm really not focused you can imagine how stressed out i am bec i have real concerns with the situation.

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right now i think the military is going to round up every one and i mean every son of a whore with a gun, machine gun, and shit like that. i think the military is being very patient right now but not for long. any one with a gun will be met with armed forces so its no joke. the mb chose the wrong opponent to open fire on!! the army is way way way too strong for them, they r nothing but terrorists!!!!

 

[IrishZebra]

You're too focused on sterotypes like that. How many times someone got his hand chopped in 600 years of Ottoman era?
Why aren't you half as sensitive when it comes to millions of muslims forced to live under anti-islamic laws for a century?

More than likely thousands of times.

No Muslims in Ireland are forced to live under Anti-Islamic laws and they never will be and I feel sorry for any Muslim that has ever had to endure pain and unfair treatment simply because of their faith.

 

[Bisco]

the mb supreme leader badiee got into the pro morsy square to give his speech for the cnn live by sneaking in, in an ambulance and dressed as a woman and wearing a burqaaa sons a whore!!!!

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

More than likely thousands of times.

No Muslims in Ireland are forced to live under Anti-Islamic laws and they never will be and I feel sorry for any Muslim that has ever had to endure pain and unfair treatment simply because of their faith.

Wrong answer.

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What you don't want to understand is the laws you guys live happily can be a hell for these people just like their Sharia look like a hell to you.

 

[IrishZebra]

Wrong answer.

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What you don't want to understand is the laws you guys live happily can be a hell for these people just like their Sharia look like a hell to you.

You must be a very learned man if you can attest to the behavior of millions over centuries, perhaps the most learned man on Earth.


I would be more than happy to sit down with any Muslim and discuss what the best way to live together and remain true to Islamic and Christian core beliefs, which are the same, because we worship the same god. Only difference is I want to live in a world where the rule of law is informed by but not beholden to Religious morality

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

You must be a very learned man if you can attest to the behavior of millions over centuries, perhaps the most learned man on Earth.


I would be more than happy to sit down with any Muslim and discuss what the best way to live together and remain true to Islamic and Christian core beliefs, which are the same, because we worship the same god. Only difference is I want to live in a world where the rule of law is informed by but not beholden to Religious morality

There are differences and let them be. Don't force people to live in the way you showed them as they won't knock your door to invite you to their religion. They have right to live under the laws they choose to believe in and they don't need your permission to practice it.

 

[IrishZebra]

There are differences and let them be. Don't force people to live in the way you showed them as they won't knock your door to invite you to their religion. They have right to live under the laws they choose to believe in and they don't need your permission to practice it.

They don't need my permission to practice their religion, but the laws of the state are absolute and there for everybody, Christian, Jew, Muslim, or Serbian.

 

[swag]

And their rights? You think a christian should have his hand chopped off for theft?

Only if it's tasty.

@swag: is it true obama is being criticized by the congress?? obama who was once popular here has lost a lot i mean a lot of respect, at least on my news feed on facebook bec as it seems the people feel obama supports terrorism.

Our government is, in general, broken. Part of it is Obama, but more of it goes above and beyond anything Obama can do or represent. There's a moralistic debate about whether government -- just about any form of government, mind you -- is inherently evil and thus should be eradicated vs. those who think that government can play a positive role.

Obama has had haters since day one. On news sites here in the U.S. when the news broke of the military removing Morsi, some people were typing, "So when is it Obama's turn?"

But IMO, this is part of a regular pattern that has gotten worse with our democracy. As I've said, the health of a democracy is based on how the losing party handles it. In the past 20 years or so, it's gotten pretty bad. Every time someone is in office, there are clowns with bumper stickers on their cars pleading to impeach the president -- as if that solves everything vs. creating a lot more problems.

It's a major cultural political issue in the U.S.

There are differences and let them be. Don't force people to live in the way you showed them as they won't knock your door to invite you to their religion. They have right to live under the laws they choose to believe in and they don't need your permission to practice it.

That sounds like moral relativism to me. If someone believes that their rule of law is that women should not get an education, I have a problem with that and won't chalk that up to merely "cultural sensitivity". A lot of cultures have done horrible, brutal things that should be unacceptable in a modern society. Humanity is littered with a history of inhumanity and cruelty that you can't just ignore and say, "Well, that's their belief system so it's OK."

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

They don't need my permission to practice their religion, but the laws of the state are absolute and there for everybody, Christian, Jew, Muslim, or Serbian.

Ironically it was the same Ottoman era which you hate, where Balkans and Middle East, more than 30 different ethnicity enjoyed peace and lived together.

 

[IrishZebra]

Ironically it was the same Ottoman era which you hate, where Balkans and Middle East, more than 30 different ethnicity enjoyed peace and lived together.

Genocide isn't peace darling

 

[Bisco]

Only if it's tasty.



Our government is, in general, broken. Part of it is Obama, but more of it goes above and beyond anything Obama can do or represent. There's a moralistic debate about whether government -- just about any form of government, mind you -- is inherently evil and thus should be eradicated vs. those who think that government can play a positive role.

Obama has had haters since day one. On news sites here in the U.S. when the news broke of the military removing Morsi, some people were typing, "So when is it Obama's turn?"

But IMO, this is part of a regular pattern that has gotten worse with our democracy. As I've said, the health of a democracy is based on how the losing party handles it. In the past 20 years or so, it's gotten pretty bad. Every time someone is in office, there are clowns with bumper stickers on their cars pleading to impeach the president -- as if that solves everything vs. creating a lot more problems.

It's a major cultural political issue in the U.S.



That sounds like moral relativism to me. If someone believes that their rule of law is that women should not get an education, I have a problem with that and won't chalk that up to merely "cultural sensitivity". A lot of cultures have done horrible, brutal things that should be unacceptable in a modern society. Humanity is littered with a history of inhumanity and cruelty that you can't just ignore and say, "Well, that's their belief system so it's OK."

i never understood why the american specially here on the forum didnt feel all too well about certain obama policies and the fact people seem to call there concern even here on the forum's never made sense to me until today

here is why i asked you bec apparently thats the joint statement being tweeted around:

http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/pre...-release-joint-statement-ongoing-events-egypt

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i'm off heading to airport to pick up my mother so she doesn't return on her in these circumstances will keep you guys updated on any new stuff happening have a good one.

 

[swag]

here is why i asked you bec apparently thats the joint statement being tweeted around:

http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/pre...-release-joint-statement-ongoing-events-egypt

This is the first communiqué I've seen from the U.S. government that seems to come out in favor of the military intervention in Egypt. They've been too cautious not to favor one side or another until now.

Personally, I get the sense that the MB was too naive about politics to ever be effective. It's one thing to complain about what's wrong with the existing regime. It's another thing to correct it -- and with the general support of the population. As such, the MB showed they had no more political skills than a New York cab driver.

Take care, A, and be safe!

 

[IrishZebra]

Only civil society under authoritarianism, doesn't mean they don't suck cock.

Solidarnosc shit all over them.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Genocide isn't peace darling

I am not going with same shit again but mind you Ittihad Terakki were hardly Ottomans we all know and idea of deportation originally came from Germans(allies in WW1).

 

[IrishZebra]

I am not going with same shit again but mind you Ittihad Terakki were hardly Ottomans we all know and idea of deportation originally came from Germans(allies in WW1).

By your obtuse logic the British are responsible for the Holocaust because they gave the Germans the idea during the Boer war.

 

[swag]

"I may have killed that cop, your honor. But I am not guilty because I got the idea from watching television."

 

[Bianconero81]

Minority dictatorship which is ignoring the demands of majority of nation(Muslims), preventing them from participating in elections is an invitation to civil war. If it happens, armed thugs aka army(their biggest achievement is 6 day war) won't be able to deal with millions.

Wtf are you on about? Minority? You are truly delusional, as delusional as Cron is with his financial assessments of player acquisitions. As for Erdogan, he is a cock sucker. He is good friends with Morsi, just like all these cuntish Islamic parties are butt buddies (with the exception of the Salafi fuckers, who are more conservative and extreme, but not as hypocritical and pathological liars like the sons of bitches of the brothershit).

Religion should never be fucking allowed into the realm of politics. This is the reason Europe regressed; the Renaissance coincided with the church fucking off and taking a peripheral role in the political sphere.

What happened in Egypt is not a fucking coup; get that through your thick, demented skull. Al Jazeera and CNN are biased cuntbags who are clearly reporting one side of the story. A lot of those who voted for that phony piece of shit Morsi actually regret their decision, and many more Egyptians didn't even vote. He was NOT democratically elected, unless you consider vote rigging and fraudulence a prerequisite for democracy.

 

[Ahmed]

Took the people a year to figure out the elections were 'rigged'? Good one.

 

[Bianconero81]

No. However, they were so keen to get rid of Mubarak, they were willing to give his successor a chance. Nonetheless, it took them a year to figure out that he was a cheat, a liar, a hypocrite, and a phony who had/has failed to deliver. The ones still supporting him are those in denial, the delusional fucks who keep getting benefits from supporting the Brotherhood. The Brotherhood are very organized and highly intelligent at manipulating simpletons, I will grant them that. There is no way that they are supported by the majority of the population tho.