Dubai Virgin Radio Dj fired for offensive comments on god (7 Viewers)

[Fred]

because juventuz is a privately-owned "company". you get banned here for the same reasons the guy got fired. if you don't like it, go somewhere else. you agreed to it when you clicked on "I agree" on the terms and conditions page, the same way the DJ most likely did when he signed his contract.

exactly

Very weak argument to use the internet as an analogy, you could use many other examples that are valid. The internet is NOT democratic.

Your average site/forum are own and ran by people, and you are there under their guidelines and supervision, its by default not a democratic entity, which is the kind of entity freedom of speech functions under. Its more or less a autocracy, whoever runs that sites has the right to deal with his site the way he wishes to (restrict the freedom of speech, because he she does not want this or that being said etc), and you agree to adher to his authority when signing up, its that simple.

I could say the same about the DJ, i mean its common sense, you should know how sensitive the matter of God is here in the Middle East. So basically its an unwritten rule.

 

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[Enron]

Funny thing is that I've been called a racist for calling Zlatan Zingaro because according to them they felt offended. What's even more funny is that the same members that called me a racist are now insulting God... but hey, they're not offending anyone..... they have the rights for that.

Can you not label them as anti-religious for insulting god just as they labeled you racist for you zingaro remark?

 

[Enron]

Is every single person who doesn't like jokes that ridicule religous figures against free speech?

Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

 

[Ahmed]

Can you not label them as anti-religious for insulting god just as they labeled you racist for you zingaro remark?

what would that achieve?

 

[Enron]

Where have you been Eazy? The thread got very good early on.

I was there early on, but I went home to vote(6 hours away) so I just caught up.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

Does every single person who believes in free speech insult people?

No.

 

[Bjerknes]

That's a bit of a problem as the Greeks and Romans influenced ALL white people, so we ALL share the same culture to some extent.

That was an absurd comment by Tahir.

 

[Enron]

what would that achieve?

My point is that it goes both ways. People say offensive things all the time, unfortunately it is part of life. So how is insulting god any worse than a racist remark?

 

[Fred]

Believe it or not, I took your point seriously. And if it makes you feel better, it took me a while to come up with an argument, cause it seemed like you had a point.

Here's the thing. You have the right to insult an individual. But to a point. I don't think you could get away with buying tv advertising to bash someone round the clock. Furthermore, defamation laws say that you cannot bash someone by saying untrue things. I guess a possible strategy would be to say nasty things about someone, saying it not as fact but as opinion, then you wouldn't have to prove that it's true. Still, I'm not sure how far you could go with it.

What you cannot do is insult someone (as in you could be sued over it) using slurs. The way this method of insult works is that you summon an opinion about a particular group (not just one person) and use this as a means to offend. This is not judged on the same basis, because you are reinforcing discrimination against a particular group. So I could say "Fred sucks", but I couldn't say "Fred sucks as all Libyans do".

Now to your point about god. god is not a person who has rights in the legal system. What's more, people do not have rights on behalf of god, which, what I guess, is what you want. If you think about it, this makes a lot of sense, because if you really wanted to have a law that would protect people from insults targeted at things they care about, then noone would be able to say anything. Dominic couldn't say "god is a cunt" and you couldn't say "Tottenham sucks", because someone would be insulted on behalf of Tottenham. Of course, that isn't to say it's in good taste to say "Tottenham sucks", and I'm sure you wouldn't say it if you knew that the people who heard this would be insulted (just like the radio dj probably should have known better). But legally, there is nothing keeping you from doing it.

So Rab can say "Zlatan sucks", he gets in trouble for saying "Zlatan is a gypsy" because that reinforces discrimination. He probably also couldn't say "God is a gypsy" for the same reason.

I get your point and i agree with almost everything you said except for the bolded part.

You see you have to understand that we're living in different parts of the world, with completely different cultures. What is acceptable in the West doesnt have to be accepted here as well. Over here its not ok to ridicule or make jokes about God and it never will be.

Dont get me wrong, i'm all for freedom of speech, but there should be boundaries and limits. Which i'm sure you have in Europe as well.

 

[icemaη]

Different places, different cultures, different laws... you can smoke pot in a coffee shop in Amsterdam, do the same thing in another country and you get busted... when you are in another country you respect their laws... in the east its common to punish children by beating them with a cane etc... but if i were to come to US and do the same then the kid calls up the police, so i wouldn't hit my kid in the US... so basically even though I don't approve of that particular law i'd still adhere to it... the same goes to the DJ or any of us for that matter... you had a British guy arrested last week in Dubai for having sex in a public beach after getting drunk... he'd have got away with it in other parts of the world... he broke a rule and he had to pay for it...

 

[Zé Tahir]

That's a bit of a problem as the Greeks and Romans influenced ALL white people, so we ALL share the same culture to some extent.

They've given the world a lot of things from their culture; one of them being football. But somewhere in history white people lost their sense of belonging. Ask anyone here and they'll tell you the same thing, heck some white people even agree that they don't have a culture.




I felt it was the right time to praise it

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[Fred]

Actually Sally, it's been ok to joke about 911 since Rudy Giuliani wore it's significance out.

So if i was a radio presenter in the US and i cracked jokes about the victims of 9\11, that would be ok??

 

[Fred]

Different places, different cultures, different laws... you can smoke pot in a coffee shop in Amsterdam, do the same thing in another country and you get busted... when you are in another country you respect their laws... in the east its common to punish children by beating them with a cane etc... but if i were to come to US and do the same then the kid calls up the police, so i wouldn't hit my kid in the US... so basically even though I don't approve of that particular law i'd still adhere to it... the same goes to the DJ or any of us for that matter... you had a British guy arrested last week in Dubai for having sex in a public beach after getting drunk... he'd have got away with it in other parts of the world... he broke a rule and he had to pay for it...

exactly.

 

[Enron]

Is every single person who doesn't like jokes that ridicule religous figures against free speech?

Of course not. But to say their should be limitations on speech because you are insulted is ridiculous. What about the people who aren't insulted? Shouldn't they have a say.

This is not a perfect world. People should go out of their way to respect cultural differences, but because we all come from different walks of life and with the "global village" expanding sometimes a joke will be taken as an insult. Should we limit speech because of hurt feelings? No.

The simple reason is because these same principles that allow people to say things that can be insulting are the basis for the principles that protect other inherent rights such as the freedom to practice religion.

 

[Enron]

So if i was a radio presenter in the US and i cracked jokes about the victims of 9\11, that would be ok??

Actually that might be ok. Our radio is weird. The FCC is pretty picky about what they fine. But I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't like it. They might even get fired if the DJ worked at a big network. There's a guy named Michael Savage who is a talk DJ. He says some of the worst things one could say over the radio.

Does that mean we should dismiss freedom of speech?

Don't get me wrong. A private company can do whatever they want within reason, it's their money. It becomes oppressive when a people or government begin to limit speech because it is offensive.

 

[Fred]

Actually that might be ok. Our radio is weird. The FCC is pretty picky about what they fine. But I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't like it. They might even get fired if the DJ worked at a big network. There's a guy named Michael Savage who is a talk DJ. He says some of the worst things one could say over the radio.

Does that mean we should dismiss freedom of speech?

Don't get me wrong. A private company can do whatever they want within reason, it's their money. It becomes oppressive when a people or government begin to limit speech because it is offensive.

you do realise that, the radio network the DJ was working for was a private company as well, dont you??

Does that mean we should dismiss freedom of speech?

it isnt just black or white. I'm all for freedom of speech, but like everything, it should be within certain limits.

 

[Bjerknes]

What's his name was fired for calling the Rutgars female basketball team "a bunch of nappy-headed hoes." I would fire him for that because it's not only a racist joke but sexist.

Now in this case, it's entirely idiotic. The exact same thing with the morons burning Danish flags and that maggot Sudanese President outlawing Danes from entering their country. Such people should either shut up or be put in prison.

People of religion should be more understanding of differing views, not people who are agnostics or atheists.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Of course not. But to say their should be limitations on speech because you are insulted is ridiculous. What about the people who aren't insulted? Shouldn't they have a say.

This is not a perfect world. People should go out of their way to respect cultural differences, but because we all come from different walks of life and with the "global village" expanding sometimes a joke will be taken as an insult. Should we limit speech because of hurt feelings? No.

The simple reason is because these same principles that allow people to say things that can be insulting are the basis for the principles that protect other inherent rights such as the freedom to practice religion.

I get the feeling some people enjoy freedom of speech just for the sake of it. It's like if I gave a 5 year old the permission to eat as much candy as he wants. He would be the happiest person on earth and he would laugh at all the other kids without knowing that he's harming himself.

Having grown up in Sweden I have no problems with the idea of free speech at all. My only problem with it is that it's increasingly used in the wrong way. What good comes out of making a cartoon of the man held at the utmost respect to billions people? Is it for the sake of art? Is it for the 10 secs of chuckles some people have? What good comes from it?

Why not draw a picture of a black man being turned down for a job position when he's equally qualified as the white man that got the job? Why not draw a picture of how a woman gets paid less for doing the same job as a man? All those would be perfect uses of free speech.

 

[Fred]

What's his name was fired for calling the Rutgars female basketball team "a bunch of nappy-headed hoes." I would fire him for that because it's not only a racist joke but sexist.

Now in this case, it's entirely idiotic. The exact same thing with the morons burning Danish flags and that maggot Sudanese President outlawing Danes from entering their country. Such people should either shut up or be put in prison.

People of religion should be more understanding of differing views, not people who are agnostics or atheists.

now thats just stupid.

 

[Ahmed]

What's his name was fired for calling the Rutgars female basketball team "a bunch of nappy-headed hoes." I would fire him for that because it's not only a racist joke but sexist.

Now in this case, it's entirely idiotic. The exact same thing with the morons burning Danish flags and that maggot Sudanese President outlawing Danes from entering their country. Such people should either shut up or be put in prison.

People of religion should be more understanding of differing views, not people who are agnostics or atheists.

No it's NOT idiotic...the same way that Don Imus offended a lot of people, this DJ offended a lot of people over here...it is only you guys who think it was idiotic...