Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (13 Viewers)

[Raz]

He's only fictional to you my friend just because you believe it to be so doesn't mean it is

I'm all pro god, but this sentence... Well the irony in it... it's just too much.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

I'm all pro god, but this sentence... Well the irony in it... it's just too much.

I don't see the irony. I see non believers dismissing what believers see and feel by categorizing it as fiction or myth. Yet a believer dare not disagree with some form of scientific theory because they are just fools. What I see is a double standard. Non believers may relegate a believers belief system to fairytale and fantasy but a believer may not question their scientific theory

 

[Martin]

Just for curiosity, you rarely have fun, or get the answers?

Both.

 

[Raz]

Oh, ok.

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Both.

That's sad a bit.

 

[Martin]

I don't see the irony. I see non believers dismissing what believers see and feel by categorizing it as fiction or myth. Yet a believer dare not disagree with some form of scientific theory because they are just fools. What I see is a double standard. Non believers may relegate a believers belief system to fairytale and fantasy but a believer may not question their scientific theory

It's foolish to question what is demonstrably true, but you can do it all you want, go ahead. There are still people who don't believe in evolution. Probably still people who believe the earth is the center of the universe. Probably still people who believe the earth is flat. Are they fools?

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That's sad a bit.

I know, that's why I stopped having these debates.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's foolish to question what is demonstrably true, but you can do it all you want, go ahead.

Its only as true as long as science keeps seeing it like that. Scientific theory changes everyday. So foolishness would be putting all your faith in man made theory without understanding that it will always change and its always in flux

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Its only as true as long as science keeps seeing it like that. Scientific theory changes everyday. So foolishness would be putting all your faith in man made theory without understanding that it will always change and its always in flux

Appeal to unchanging theory. Fallacious argument.

 

[Martin]

Its only as true as long as science keeps seeing it like that. Scientific theory changes everyday. So foolishness would be putting all your faith in man made theory without understanding that it will always change and its always in flux

Yes, it is. But "it changes" doesn't mean what is black today becomes white tomorrow. Read this:
http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No worries cos he believes in you

Easy for him, cos he can see and hear me all the time. Doesn't work the other way around.

 

[Raz]

Its only as true as long as science keeps seeing it like that. Scientific theory changes everyday. So foolishness would be putting all your faith in man made theory without understanding that it will always change and its always in flux

I agree about the blind faith on the every newest theory that is thought out, but the rest is just - Whoa.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Appeal to unchanging theory. Fallacious argument.

I don't even listen to you anymore man. If it isn't what you think everyone else's arguments in here are either fallacious or invalid. So I just discount every thing you say. Contrarian just for the sake of it

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yes, it is. But "it changes" doesn't mean what is black today becomes white tomorrow. Read this:
http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

Never said that nor implied it. My point is faith is what it is no matter which side of the isle. Most science is educated guess based on observation. Faith in God is the same but we observe things in a different light

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Easy for him, cos he can see and hear me all the time. Doesn't work the other way around.

True but. " those whom have eyes see and those whom have ears hear "

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I agree about the blind faith on the every newest theory that is thought out, but the rest is just - Whoa.

Blind faith? That's non-sense!

I don't even listen to you anymore man. If it isn't what you think everyone else's arguments in here are either fallacious or invalid. So I just discount every thing you say. Contrarian just for the sake of it

So ignorant.

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True but. " those whom have eyes see and those whom have ears hear "

No. Rather, those whom have eyes see the visible, and those whom have ears hear the audible. God is neither of those.

 

[Martin]

Never said that nor implied it. My point is faith is what it is no matter which side of the isle. Most science is educated guess based on observation. Faith in God is the same but we observe things in a different light

The question remains what's reasonable to believe based on what you can show. At one point people were wise to believe that the earth is flat, it agreed with all observations. But noone is wise to believe that today. So it's not about what you believe, it's about the basis for believing.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Blind faith? That's non-sense!



So ignorant.

I'm not ignorant. Just no point in discussing with you , there is no give nor respect for the opposing view. A discussion is two sided a give and take with you its only take

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The question remains what's reasonable to believe based on what you can show. At one point people were wise to believe that the earth is flat, it agreed with all observations. But noone is wise to believe that today. So it's not about what you believe, it's about the basis for believing.

Exactly.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The question remains what's reasonable to believe based on what you can show. At one point people were wise to believe that the earth is flat, it agreed with all observations. But noone is wise to believe that today. So it's not about what you believe, it's about the basis for believing.

You all still discount believers and their personal experience. Your like alcoholics who look at a recovering alcoholic in AA and discount his experience because you can't reach that experience.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not ignorant. Just no point in discussing with you , there is no give nor respect for the opposing view. A discussion is two sided a give and take with you its only take

So god certainly failed to talk to me through you. I hope he tries better the next time.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So god certainly failed to talk to me through you. I hope he tries better the next time.

No you just fail to listen because as open as you say you are that's how closed you really are. You have your mind made up with an answer before you ask the question