Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (18 Viewers)
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Bacteria were used to be classified based on physical appearance. In the last decades however, the genetic material of bacteria was analysed, and the entire classification had to be remade, because the research showed diffrent things.
For example, expression of genes. just because this of this factor, two bacteria that dont seemb alike at first sign, actually had extremely much in commen..
Another thing, is the use of metabolic molecules. Like proteins. Some genetically closely related species, use the the D form of a certain amino acide as a signalling molecule, where others use a diffrent protein or amino acid for the same purpose.
in further relatives, a same amino acid or protein, or any signalling molecule, can be used for a diffrent function. this because trough evolution and adaptation, it was no longer neccecary to use it for the previous function. however like allways, new spontane mutations, that could actually benefit from this molecule, can give it a new purpose.
a more interesting discovery has been done in more recent years . In 2003 the entire human genome was entirely mapped. Offcourse we know only extremely small bits of what sequences translate into what action. this mapping has also been done in other organisms, tho significantly less complex.
When researching the patterns of the discovered genomes, certain "nonsense" dna sequences that have no use, have been found in closely related species. This proves they come from the same ancestor.
So far, its only done on micro organisms, because of the large knowledge of their genome, and the MUCH shorter lengt.
For example, expression of genes. just because this of this factor, two bacteria that dont seemb alike at first sign, actually had extremely much in commen..
Another thing, is the use of metabolic molecules. Like proteins. Some genetically closely related species, use the the D form of a certain amino acide as a signalling molecule, where others use a diffrent protein or amino acid for the same purpose.
in further relatives, a same amino acid or protein, or any signalling molecule, can be used for a diffrent function. this because trough evolution and adaptation, it was no longer neccecary to use it for the previous function. however like allways, new spontane mutations, that could actually benefit from this molecule, can give it a new purpose.
a more interesting discovery has been done in more recent years . In 2003 the entire human genome was entirely mapped. Offcourse we know only extremely small bits of what sequences translate into what action. this mapping has also been done in other organisms, tho significantly less complex.
When researching the patterns of the discovered genomes, certain "nonsense" dna sequences that have no use, have been found in closely related species. This proves they come from the same ancestor.
So far, its only done on micro organisms, because of the large knowledge of their genome, and the MUCH shorter lengt.
That doesn't necessarily prove common ancestor, as it could equally prove common designer. And just because our limited knowledge currently says they are "nonesense" DNA sequences, doesn't mean we will not learn more about their real use in the future. Science changes daily, which is why it cannot alone be used as a yardstick for truth.
With the 98% same as chimps genes thing:
- . The 98% similarity is refering to the “coding regions” of DNA; that is, those parts of the DNA that code for proteins. However, coding regions make up only - 1.5% - of the entire genome. Therefore the similarity between Humans and Chimps is minute when it comes to the genome.
With the 98% same as chimps genes thing:
- . The 98% similarity is refering to the “coding regions” of DNA; that is, those parts of the DNA that code for proteins. However, coding regions make up only - 1.5% - of the entire genome. Therefore the similarity between Humans and Chimps is minute when it comes to the genome.
Doesnt need to translate into protein synthesis, can be used for anything.
However, nonsense dna, doenst currently code into anything, because the gene is supressed. If this is the case of the same region, in a close related species then this proves they come from the same ancestor, and dont want certain gene's to express themselves anymore.
Why would a designer create a species, that has certain combination that it hasent been used for millions of years, a combination that a lower class organisms DO use ?
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Defying evolution, is the modern way to try to prove some existence of a designer, a superior beeing, so i'd consider it on topic
However, nonsense dna, doenst currently code into anything, because the gene is supressed. If this is the case of the same region, in a close related species then this proves they come from the same ancestor, and dont want certain gene's to express themselves anymore.
Why would a designer create a species, that has certain combination that it hasent been used for millions of years, a combination that a lower class organisms DO use ?
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Defying evolution, is the modern way to try to prove some existence of a designer, a superior beeing, so i'd consider it on topic
I potential answer would be because maybe our understanding it still limited scientifically in this field but who knows.
The thing is, even if science answers these questions, it will never answer the big questions of life.
"Why are we here, where did we come from, and where are we going?"
This is where God and Religion becomes relevant.
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Physics?
Meaning you know a lot about quantum physics.
The thing is, even if science answers these questions, it will never answer the big questions of life.
"Why are we here, where did we come from, and where are we going?"
This is where God and Religion becomes relevant.
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Physics?
Meaning you know a lot about quantum physics.
Where did we come from : big bang theory, and later the first formation of nucleotides (recently proven) in nature wich is the building block of dna
Why are we here : because trough evolution, life became to be. we are here to continue life
Where are we going : eighter we kill ourselves on this planet, eighter we stay here and die when the sun goes into supernova, or eighter we find a way to travel to a diffrent star system and continue life there.
Quantum physics, not that much i'm a biochemist, not a physicist, but we get some of the important basics, relevant to the later professions of industrial engineers
Why are we here : because trough evolution, life became to be. we are here to continue life
Where are we going : eighter we kill ourselves on this planet, eighter we stay here and die when the sun goes into supernova, or eighter we find a way to travel to a diffrent star system and continue life there.
Quantum physics, not that much i'm a biochemist, not a physicist, but we get some of the important basics, relevant to the later professions of industrial engineers
And this just happened on it's own? Something made itself before it existed? This doesn't make sense.
God initiated the big bang.
Evolution doesn't answer where we came from - where did these concious, intelligent and world changing human beings come from? Do they have a purpose in this world?
Another planet? We will still all individually die anyway - what's the point in continuing a pointless life in the first place?
None of those answers answer anything at all. They have zero meaning. They are just a scientific explanation with no real meaning, no substance.
They are not answers to the philosophical questions of life.
Quantum Physics -
Latest research suggests that matter doesn't really exist at all.
God initiated the big bang.
Evolution doesn't answer where we came from - where did these concious, intelligent and world changing human beings come from? Do they have a purpose in this world?
Another planet? We will still all individually die anyway - what's the point in continuing a pointless life in the first place?
None of those answers answer anything at all. They have zero meaning. They are just a scientific explanation with no real meaning, no substance.
They are not answers to the philosophical questions of life.
Quantum Physics -
Latest research suggests that matter doesn't really exist at all.
Why does there needs to be a real meaning ?
there are plenty of organisms that have absolutely no use.
Continiuing life, is what every living beeing does, just look at the simpelest of all, a retrovirus. It basically just spread's its RNA to multiply, abusing its surrounding recources, depleting them and then go on. Much like humans.
And research, suggestions and indications dont matter, there will allways be contradictions because of various reasons. Once a sound conclusion is made, that isnt contradicted, then we can base on that.
Its like the mercato really, dont base on suggestions, but on true facts.
there are plenty of organisms that have absolutely no use.
Continiuing life, is what every living beeing does, just look at the simpelest of all, a retrovirus. It basically just spread's its RNA to multiply, abusing its surrounding recources, depleting them and then go on. Much like humans.
And research, suggestions and indications dont matter, there will allways be contradictions because of various reasons. Once a sound conclusion is made, that isnt contradicted, then we can base on that.
Its like the mercato really, dont base on suggestions, but on true facts.
Linebreak why do you say the evidence is weak? What do you expect to find that would be compeling enough for you?half monkey half man, mermade style?
And if one believe that other species have evolved and is still evolving why not man then? After all we are just another species here, nothing more or less. Or you don't think other species evolved and are evloving still?
Or are you of the opinion the earth is just few thousands of years and everything just teleported out of thin air here on this big ball rock?
And if one believe that other species have evolved and is still evolving why not man then? After all we are just another species here, nothing more or less. Or you don't think other species evolved and are evloving still?
Or are you of the opinion the earth is just few thousands of years and everything just teleported out of thin air here on this big ball rock?