Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (18 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Micro evolution doesn't create a new species, just changes within the same species.

As a masterstudent in biochemistry, i would kindly suggest to stop making a total fool out of yourself.


Its allready enough a plague that this new muslim idea called "intelligent design" popped up, that tries to dismiss evolution by claiming for example eyes are to complex to have evolved, or that one species cannot spawn of another.

 

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I've done my own research

- you should put (filippo) next to monkey

 

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- you should put (filippo) next to monkey

I'm a monkey

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Controversy

I mean in terms of god.

 

[Zacheryah]

Micro evolution doesn't create a new species, just changes within the same species.

Tell me everything you know about DNA probing of bacteria, and the conclusions out of the early stages of this, and the effect it had on classifying bacteria.


If you dont know these basic things, you are simply saying "genetic science is to complex for me so i'll dismiss any conclusion i cannot comprehend"

 

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I mean in terms of god.

I just find it to be an intriguing topic since many atheists bring it up as "fact" to somehow disprove the existence of God.

 

[TrezJuve]

Micro evolution doesn't create a new species, just changes within the same species.

But that's what it's all about, at first there still the same species even if they have different allele frequencies, but then the differences becomes of greater importance through time until they finally are different enough to be considered different species. It will then be said that they shared a common ancestor.

You simply can't acknowledge micro evolution but not macro evolution.

 

[Zacheryah]

You cannot disprove the existence of god

atheists say "there is no god, but we cannot prove this"
agnotsts say "we dont think there is a god, because there isnt prove of it, however there is no way to prove there isnt one"

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I just find it to be an intriguing topic since many atheists bring it up as "fact" to somehow disprove the existence of God.

If you believe in god, then stick to attempting to proving his existence rather than disproving evolution. Disproving evolution does not automatically mean that god did it. You may be convinced by that, but we won't.

 

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But that's what it's all about, at first there still the same species even if they have different allele frequencies, but then the differences becomes of greater importance through time until they finally are different enough to be considered different species. It will then be said that they shared a common ancestor.

You simply can't acknowledge micro evolution but not macro evolution.

Micro is clearly evident, Macro is an assumption that cannot be proven.

 

[Zacheryah]

Micro is clearly evident, Macro is an assumption that cannot be proven.

It can be proven trough genetic science.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

atheists say "there is no god, but we cannot prove this"

That's because it's impossible to prove that something does NOT exist. Refer to Russell's teapot.

 

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If you believe in god, then stick to attempting to proving his existence rather than disproving evolution. Disproving evolution does not automatically mean that god did it. You may be convinced by that, but we won't.

Of course it won't - but it's just a call for people to think outside the modern paradigm square, because some things are a glass house waiting to be shattered.

 

[TrezJuve]

It can be proven trough genetic science.

Exactly.

 

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That's because it's impossible to prove that something does NOT exist. Refer to Russell's teapot.

You limit yourself to a tunnel vision of "truth can only be arrived at via rational discourse and scientific enquiry" - Rational discourse and scientific enquiry is only part of the story of Truth.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Of course it won't - but it's just a call for people to think outside the modern paradigm square, because some things are a glass house waiting to be shattered.

Then create a thread titled 'Disproving evolution'. This thread is about god. Talk about him or GTFO!

 

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It can be proven trough genetic science.

Like what?

Like: humans and chimps are 98% similar, in that their genes are 98% the same?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You limit yourself to a tunnel vision of "truth can only be arrived at via rational discourse and scientific enquiry" - Rational discourse and scientific enquiry is only part of the story of Truth.

Show me a better way to arrive at truth and verify the validity of that truth.

 

[Zacheryah]

That's because it's impossible to prove that something does NOT exist. Refer to Russell's teapot.

Yes offcourse.

I'm an atheist, considering my studies i'm also a scientist and have knowledge how theories are proven and disproven.

Therefore i say, i think there is no god, but i cant state it as a fact, because there is no theory to prove this, let alone an experiment to support the theory.

Of course it won't - but it's just a call for people to think outside the modern paradigm square, because some things are a glass house waiting to be shattered.

But unlike some other theories, evolution has been proven over and over, and with the giant steps in genetic science, that glass house has become quite the bunker

 

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Then create a thread titled 'Disproving evolution'. This thread is about god. Talk about him or GTFO!

You know what... You actually have a good point there SY!