Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (17 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

nah man Shiva is the real pimp, and the best story is that of rama and ravana

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

i said it, no one knows what his judgement is or will be like, though many will speculate.

I don't find your answer compelling or satisfactory.

I still think it's very unjust that he creates our mind being hardwired to use logic and reason, but then asks us to abandon our reasoning and instead have faith.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

nah man Shiva is the real pimp, and the best story is that of rama and ravana

Yeah Shiva, who beheaded his son because he was doing what his mother asked him to do: Not let anyone in while she bathes.

And Parvati(Shiva's wife), instead of asking Shiva to stop, asks a few goddesses to fight against Shiva.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The Buddhist, Hindu & ancient Mediterranean gods are far more fun to read about.

I would say Nordic but they're just dull given how hyped they get with the metal scene and Thor.

Yah, Nordic looks kinda lame.

nah man Shiva is the real pimp, and the best story is that of rama and ravana

Lol, I think my friends gave me some wrong info.

 

[Lilith]

nah man Shiva is the real pimp.

He swallowed poison and has to live with a burning in his throat for the rest of eternity...huge pimping there.

 

[Ford Prefect]

Matty check the villain thread

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Some absurd stuff in this story.

While it teaches you a moral lesson that anger can make you do the worst things, (which I agree with), some people believe this story is literally true.

 

[Lilith]

Some absurd stuff in this story.

Even more absurd is the one with the flying elephants in space and how one of them fell on a guy on earth because he questioned God's existance. I think that was the day I stopped believing in my religion/religion.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Even more absurd is the one with the flying elephants in space and how one of them fell on a guy on earth because he questioned God's existance. I think that was the day I stopped believing in my religion/religion.

I haven't heard that one. Hmmm...

But overall, I'm surprised how you don't find criticisms of the Vedic texts as much as you'd find for the Qur'an and the 2 Testaments. I wonder why. Maybe because of the language barriers? Or cos no one wants to review it critically. I wanna find out.

 

[Lilith]

Maybe because it's just deemed as mythology to those who are not of the faith? And most Christians I've spoken to deem Hindus as devil worshippers because they worship idols, so they have nothing to do with them. So there you have it, Hinduism is blown off as either mythology by some, or feared as some demonic religion and therefore to be not tampered with.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Maybe because it's just deemed as mythology to those who are not of the faith?

Maybe. I'd like to find out one day.

 

[Lilith]

I edited to add some more to it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Maybe because it's just deemed as mythology to those who are not of the faith? And most Christians I've spoken to deem Hindus as devil worshippers because they worship idols, so they have nothing to do with them. So there you have it, Hinduism is blow off as either mythology by some, or feared as some demonic religion and therefore not tampered with.

Oh I've heard that too. That's just their religious dogma preventing them from accepting it. It's just like how some Muslims reject the Christian god because it's actually polytheistic due of the trinity.

 

[Lilith]

And therein lies the very foundation for religious disputes. It puzzles me how people praying for seemingly common purposes can make an issue out of that and forget the common purpose in the process.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I don't find your answer compelling or satisfactory.

I still think it's very unjust that he creates our mind being hardwired to use logic and reason, but then asks us to abandon our reasoning and instead have faith.

He wires us with more than just reasoning, it'd be really naive to think otherwise

Yeah Shiva, who beheaded his son because he was doing what his mother asked him to do: Not let anyone in while she bathes.

And Parvati(Shiva's wife), instead of asking Shiva to stop, asks a few goddesses to fight against Shiva.

yep thats pimp

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

But reasoning and evidence are the most compelling ones of them all. It's demonstrably true. If faith was most compelling, then we'd use it to support the claims we make in this very thread. His knows this to be true, yet he insists on faith. It makes no sense.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

what's demonstrably true? you keep going around in circles we already established that his capacity doesnt necessarily translate into action, and you not understanding his motives or trying to fit them in your own understanding doesnt make them any less compelling. And i told you before you just like everyone else act based on faith on a daily basis.

 

[ALC]

Ancient Mediterranean mythology is the best!

 

[Lilith]

Ancient Mediterranean mythology is the best!

Ancient Greek mythology being the best of them.

 

[Lilith]

As much as I hate religion, and as much as this might be the wrong thread, I do remember one unexplained thing that I saw. A few years ago, the Ganesha statues were supposedly "drinking" milk. I never tried to feed it anything to experiment because that's really not my thing but one day during this happening, I saw my grandmother praying. Then she put a few teaspoon-fulls right in front of its trunk and the milk disappeared right off the spoon. She didn't tilt the spoon or anything and it was an old statue that she had had for years. And the milk didn't spill anywhere either. Go figure!