Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (27 Viewers)

[Ford Prefect]

good enough you utter fucking moron? I honestly can't believe you are this fucking stupid.

So basically what Pride means to christians is nothing like what the word actually means? Therefor I am stupid?

 

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[ZoSo]

So basically what Pride means to christians is nothing like what the word actually means? Therefor I am stupid?

I gave you proof. it's getting old man, just shut up.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I gave you proof. it's getting old man, just shut up.

I didn't contest your proof.

Althought you might want to jump onto 9gag and tell the other 120 people who liked my picture how stupid they are - http://9gag.com/gag/3448650

 

[ZoSo]

I didn't contest your proof.

yeah you did. you questioned what's wrong with it (according to you). and read my top edited post again.

 

[Ford Prefect]

good enough you utter fucking moron? I honestly can't believe you are this fucking stupid. I hope you know who Dante is. And FYI, my mum's aunty & uncle own his castle & museum in Italy. and no, I'm not gloating. They got it because in their earlier younger years they used to hang around the witch doctor that previously owned it and inherited it. He bought it because he was rich from receiving payments for cleansing clothing and other items of evil spirits. He was born with the 'third eye', a piece of skin/membrane covering his face. this apparently is supposed to let people see evil spirits and stuff like that. all that stuff is not bullshit and is just one thing that proves that god is real. the occult and all that stuff is real too and not something you mess with.

You have to be fucking kidding me?

This has to be a joke

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Emirates May you get a blow-job in the airplane before you meet kyle.

Edited.

I don't give a fuck when it comes to that asshole (or you for that matter). He was a fucking shit stain on society.

He was an imperfect man, whose extreme criticism of religion scared the shit out of some people. He certainly wasn't a shit stain.

It's not the 14 minute video, it's the fact that it's a comedy and is trying to poke fun at religion. I find that quite distasteful.

So what if it's comedy? It's still a means to put your point across. Some people put it through movies, music, books, acting, radio, writing, and some people do it through comedy. Comedians like George Carlin and Bill Hicks don't simply make fun of religion and its ideas, but actually make you think about it from a different perspective. The only reason you find it distasteful is because you believe in religion.

Not quite.

I was kidding, man.

What do you mean before? It sounds like you expect me to prove to you that God exists (which he does but no athiest can fathom). You're just avoiding what I wrote. I can just easily say (if you do) before trying post an analysis of why religious people believe, find solid concrete evidence that God doesn't exist. You can't use to that avoid something.

Of course I expect you to prove it, especially when you say "...that God exists (which he does...". I'm avoiding what you're saying because it is irrelevant. It's a smear campaign that only breeds ignorance and hatred towards atheists. It does nothing to answer the criticisms of god and religion, and therefore, the discussion hits a dead end. It serves no useful purpose.

Look, 'god exists' is the primary proposition. Atheism is only a consequence of the critique god and religion, and the resulting rejection of that proposition. Since theists are the ones who made the primary proposition, the burden lies on them to prove that god really exists.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Cause they are hypocrites

 

[Ford Prefect]

Cause they are hypocrites

No they aren;t IZ cleared it up for me - pride has a different defintion in relation the deadly sins that i wasnt aware of.

In other news his family owns a castle inhereted from a witch doctor that could see the dead through a third eye his skin was covering as a gift from god.

 

[X Æ A-12]

No they aren;t IZ cleared it up for me - pride has a different defintion in relation the deadly sins that i wasnt aware of.

In other news his family owns a castle inhereted from a witch doctor that could see the dead through a third eye his skin was covering as a gift from god.

Yea that post was a major wtf. He started off on religion and ended up in the twilight zone.

Anyway I have a very limited Catholic background but from what I remember isn't belief in the occult and the supernatural condemned by the church?

I find it kind of funny, though not surprising, that the religious ones on here also believe in other wild things.

 

[ZoSo]

You have to be fucking kidding me?

This has to be a joke

how could I expect anything else. you are so shut up in your little world it's not even funny.

Edited.



He was an imperfect man, whose extreme criticism of religion scared the shit out of some people. He certainly wasn't a shit stain.



So what if it's comedy? It's still a means to put your point across. Some people put it through movies, music, books, acting, radio, writing, and some people do it through comedy. Comedians like George Carlin and Bill Hicks don't simply make fun of religion and its ideas, but actually make you think about it from a different perspective. The only reason you find it distasteful is because you believe in religion.



I was kidding, man.



Of course I expect you to prove it, especially when you say "...that God exists (which he does...". I'm avoiding what you're saying because it is irrelevant. It's a smear campaign that only breeds ignorance and hatred towards atheists. It does nothing to answer the criticisms of god and religion, and therefore, the discussion hits a dead end. It serves no useful purpose.

Look, 'god exists' is the primary proposition. Atheism is only a consequence of the critique god and religion, and the resulting rejection of that proposition. Since theists are the ones who made the primary proposition, the burden lies on them to prove that god really exists.

no he was an arrogant hateful human being.

I'm sure you would love to watch a 15 minute video that's poking fun at atheists and what you believe.

wow

I didn't come here to do that. You can't reject what I said because you think I should be arguing about something else.

What you are saying is: 'eveything you said is false because I say so (and I am right to say so) because despite all the evidence that has been put infront of me beforehand I don't want to accept the truth (and won't ever) because I can.

That's some bad logic man.

Cause they are hypocrites

Nice educated response man! You should put in more often in this thread with long, well written responses like that!

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No they aren;t IZ cleared it up for me - pride has a different defintion in relation the deadly sins that i wasnt aware of.

In other news his family owns a castle inhereted from a witch doctor that could see the dead through a third eye his skin was covering as a gift from god.

I honestly can't believe you think Christian pride and the pride of 7 deadly sins is the same thing. You are literally the most stupid human alive. It's not just one fucking word, it's just a word that gives a meaning to the whole thing.

Yea that post was a major wtf. He started off on religion and ended up in the twilight zone.

Anyway I have a very limited Catholic background but from what I remember isn't belief in the occult and the supernatural condemned by the church?

I find it kind of funny, though not surprising, that the religious ones on here also believe in other wild things.

no it's the following and using...

ah the typical, religious people are crazy dumb weirdos. Atheist people never cease to amaze me with their originality.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I honestly can't believe you think Christian pride and the pride of 7 deadly sins is the same thing. You are literally the most stupid human alive. It's not just one fucking word, it's just a word that gives a meaning to the whole thing.

I conceded and said I was wrong and you are still having a go at me? The hell is wrong with you??

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Interdestroyer wins. God is real. Close thread.

 

[ZoSo]

I conceded and said I was wrong and you are still having a go at me? The hell is wrong with you??

Sorry, thought you were being sarcastic, my bad.

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Interdestroyer wins. God is real. Close thread.

funny dude love your work, keep it up.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I honestly didnt know about you at all until like coupla weeks ago and ive been reading conflicting ideas from google.

What are the differences between you and sunnis?

2 differences:

1. Sunnu's believe that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet and that no prophets can come after him. The reasoning behind is the interpretation of "Khataman Nabiyeen" which means Seal of Prophets. The Ahmadi belief:

According to the Ahmadi Muslims, the expression 'Seal of the Prophets' does not mean that the Holy Prophet is chronologically the last Prophet. A seal is a mark of distinction and, in this case, implies great perfection of prophethood. Ahmadis believe that the door to prophethood is always open. However, a new prophet after the Prophet Muhammad must be a follower of his and must be from within the fold of Islam. Ahmadi Muslims do believe that the Prophet Muhammad was the last law giving Prophet and that no new law giving prophet can come after him.

-Alislam.org

2. Sunni's believe that Jesus was replaced on the cross by a look-a-like and that the real Jesus ascended into heaven from where he'll one day physically return from (Second coming). Whereas Ahmadi's believe that Jesus (him, no one else) was put on the cross but survived the crucifixion and after recovering from his wounds traveled East to Kashmir where he died a natural death. We believe the second coming has already arrived and that he was Jesus in spirit and that person was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

 

[Bisco]

2 differences:

1. Sunnu's believe that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet and that no prophets can come after him. The reasoning behind is the interpretation of "Khataman Nabiyeen" which means Seal of Prophets. The Ahmadi belief:



2. Sunni's believe that Jesus was replaced on the cross by a look-a-like and that the real Jesus ascended into heaven from where he'll one day physically return from (Second coming). Whereas Ahmadi's believe that Jesus (him, no one else) was put on the cross but survived the crucifixion and after recovering from his wounds traveled East to Kashmir where he died a natural death. We believe the second coming has already arrived and that he was Jesus in spirit and that person was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

ze i hope you dont feel offended by my question i'm just asking bec i never understood this point regarding muslim Ahmedi's, is'nt the bolded part stated in the quran?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm sure you would love to watch a 15 minute video that's poking fun at atheists and what you believe.

Bring it on. Rather than take offence, I'd love to see holes in my logic he can find, and how I can correct them. I can certainly handle criticism.

wow

Excellent, educated argument.

I didn't come here to do that. You can't reject what I said because you think I should be arguing about something else.

I'm ignoring what you said because it doesn't help progress the discussion anywhere. Nothing positive can come out of attacking your critics.

What you are saying is: 'eveything you said is false because I say so (and I am right to say so) because despite all the evidence that has been put infront of me beforehand I don't want to accept the truth (and won't ever) because I can.

That's some bad logic man.

No, that's what YOU are saying, based on your poor understanding of me. And yes, that is some bad logic. YOUR LOGIC.

If you show me the evidence, then I will accept it, provided that it stands the test of critique. If it doesn't, then blame your evidence, not me.

 

[ZoSo]

You're trying to take argument somewhere else that I was barely even taking about.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

2 differences:

1. Sunnu's believe that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet and that no prophets can come after him. The reasoning behind is the interpretation of "Khataman Nabiyeen" which means Seal of Prophets. The Ahmadi belief:



2. Sunni's believe that Jesus was replaced on the cross by a look-a-like and that the real Jesus ascended into heaven from where he'll one day physically return from (Second coming). Whereas Ahmadi's believe that Jesus (him, no one else) was put on the cross but survived the crucifixion and after recovering from his wounds traveled East to Kashmir where he died a natural death. We believe the second coming has already arrived and that he was Jesus in spirit and that person was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

I'm no expert but doesnt the Quran say Prophet Muhammed (saw) will be the last prophet?

Now that i read in detail about your (sect?) 's claim the more i am astonished as to how you, of all the people, can believe in this

I mean i know you, a man of reason and you know your stuff, and yet you believe in a guy who stood up and claimed to be a prophet?

Add to that a better muslim than me.

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ze i hope you dont feel offended by my question i'm just asking bec i never understood this point regarding muslim Ahmedi's, is'nt the bolded part stated in the quran?

Exactly, i was googling and it seems a couple of things they believe in directly contradicts Quran.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You're trying to take argument somewhere else that I was barely even taking about.

Read the thread title. That is what we should be talking about.

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I'm no expert but doesnt the Quran say Prophet Muhammed (saw) will be the last prophet?

Now that i read in detail about your (sect?) 's claim the more i am astonished as to how you, of all the people, can believe in this

I mean i know you, a man of reason and you know your stuff, and yet you believe in a guy who stood up and claimed to be a prophet?

Didn't Muhammad do the same thing, though?

 

[Fred]

Edited.



He was an imperfect man, whose extreme criticism of religion scared the shit out of some people. He certainly wasn't a shit stain.



So what if it's comedy? It's still a means to put your point across. Some people put it through movies, music, books, acting, radio, writing, and some people do it through comedy. Comedians like George Carlin and Bill Hicks don't simply make fun of religion and its ideas, but actually make you think about it from a different perspective. The only reason you find it distasteful is because you believe in religion.



I was kidding, man.



Of course I expect you to prove it, especially when you say "...that God exists (which he does...". I'm avoiding what you're saying because it is irrelevant. It's a smear campaign that only breeds ignorance and hatred towards atheists. It does nothing to answer the criticisms of god and religion, and therefore, the discussion hits a dead end. It serves no useful purpose.

Look, 'god exists' is the primary proposition. Atheism is only a consequence of the critique god and religion, and the resulting rejection of that proposition. Since theists are the ones who made the primary proposition, the burden lies on them to prove that god really exists.

He was a shit stain and a huge hypocrite, i care very little about his religious(or non religious in his case) beliefs, that is his personal beliefs, i care little about the way he gets his points across when talking about atheism and theology too, these things are not what i hold against him. But he's a fucking hypocrite, he condemns the church for the thousands of deaths it caused during the crusades, he condemns Islam for the deaths that the radical groups cause these days, he generally loves to condemn religion for causing deaths. At the same time, he was firmly with the American invasion and bombing of Iraq, and obnoxiously and arrogantly claims, that the coalition forces were bringing democracy to a backward muslim state, as if the coalition forces brought democracy by bombing cities like Faluja to oblivion, by raping, pillaging and killing innocent Iraqi's and by making Iraq a chaotic state and making it more of a shithole than it ever was under Saddamn.

He is an arsehole, and i really wished his death came by a bomb on his house so that he'd feel the pain and anguish he so gleefully wished on others. Fucking shit stain that he is.