Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (101 Viewers)

[Enron]

The power of Christ penetrates you!!!

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

I can hardly feel it. His power must be quite microscopic.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Just came across this video. And I think he put across his thoughts very nicely and made a lot of sense.


What do you think?

 

[Martin]

Watch out, a room full of atheists.

 

[Juve matador]

Just came across this video. And I think he put across his thoughts very nicely and made a lot of sense.


What do you think?

Unfortunately for this lad, if their is a god, hes a cunt. This guy would get butt fucked in hell FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!!!

But he's right, if their is a god, he hasn't give everyone enough reasons to believe in him, its his fault.

I agree with 6.53 onwards.

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As I've said before, their is no god but even if their was, i wouldn't worship or beg, he can go suck him self off.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

OFF TOPIC ALERT: Matador, I'd like to point out a spelling mistake. In all cases where you typed 'their', the correct spelling is 'there'.

BACK ON TOPIC: Yup, I agree with the 'enough reasons' point too.

 

[Noodle]

The power of Christ penetrates you!!!

Only if you're an eight-year-old boy.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Only if you're an eight-year-old boy.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Still can't respond to my post, Woody?

 

[WΏΏdy?]

I'm on it sheikl

 

[WΏΏdy?]

Now let's talk about the part you skipped, namely my previous post.

There was nothing to skip you answered my question without asking me one.

Honestly, I don't know. Being pretty much the first non-religious person in my family, I have no idea how I'm gonna deal with it.

It simply doesn't make sense how people can have this double standard when it comes to believing in something of such great importance: our origins and how the universe came to be. This is what annoys me.

Double standards? Going back to the base of my argument, you are dead sure about you belief that god does not exist and you would still marry a religious girl instead of standing firm on your beliefs and being a man. You lecture and preach against religious people and when it comes to yourself you chicken out?

"All knowing atheist belief"? That is wrong in so many ways. First, I never seriously claimed to be omniscient. In fact, I've stated before that I do not know everything. Second, atheist belief is nothing but rejection of the god hypothesis. It doesn't claim to know anything or everything for certain.

When it comes to a debate between religious and atheist beliefs there is only one thing to know, does god exist or if he dont. You think he does not exist so you are all knowning, the religious peeps think he does so they are all knowning as well.
But if u admit you dont know everything and neither does atheist belief then why would you get into an argument with limited knowledge?

Because people's reasons for believing in god or religion is something I'm finding hard to understand. I can't fully understand how people can abandon logic to believe in such things. I expect people to base their beliefs on the evidence that's available and the reasoning that can be provided to support their beliefs. And I expect this evidence and reasoning to be watertight for someone to base their beliefs upon. In every aspect of life I see, strong logic, proof and evidence is what stands as the basis of peoples' beliefs. But god and religion turns everything upside-down and brings in blind faith as the basis for their beliefs. I want to see how people can believe so strongly on something they cannot identify with their senses(sight, hearing, feeling, etc.). And if people do see, hear or feel anything, then I want to know why I or many people like me cannot feel the same. So far, everything I've read here doesn't make sense. And when I try to show them what does make sense to me, it's rejected in favour of their religious beliefs.

Bullshit sheik. Tell me, why do you wear that thread across your chest? isnt that a hindu (religious) thing?

 

[X Æ A-12]

Watch out, a room full of atheists.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There was nothing to skip you answered my question without asking me one.

I wanted to see if there were any points that you wanted to refute. Seems like you do.

Double standards? Going back to the base of my argument, you are dead sure about you belief that god does not exist and you would still marry a religious girl instead of standing firm on your beliefs and being a man. You lecture and preach against religious people and when it comes to yourself you chicken out?

Yeah, double standards. When you want to believe in something in real life, you ask for proof. But when it comes to believing in god, you're have faith. And when it comes to disproving god too, you ask for evidence too. This is the double standard I'm talking about. If you applied the same critical thinking and reasoning for believing in god as you would apply in any other walk of life, I don't think you would believe in god.

I'm not dead sure about the in-existence of god. I'm saying that it's very unlikely that a god exists. And even if he does, I'm not convinced that it is your god.

Like I said before, I'm not sure right now about marriage and how I should go about it. So I'm not gonna continue discussing it.

When it comes to a debate between religious and atheist beliefs there is only one thing to know, does god exist or if he dont. You think he does not exist so you are all knowning, the religious peeps think he does so they are all knowning as well.
But if u admit you dont know everything and neither does atheist belief then why would you get into an argument with limited knowledge?

Every human has limited knowledge. Same goes for me. I never claimed to know everything.

Is there a rule that you cannot get into an argument if you have limited knowledge?

Bullshit sheik. Tell me, why do you wear that thread across your chest? isnt that a hindu (religious) thing?

Why? For my father. One of the things I can do in remembrance of my father is to perform his death ceremony every year, and that thread is necessary for me to do it. Beyond that, it means nothing to me now.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

I'm not dead sure about the in-existence of god. I'm saying that it's very unlikely that a god exists. And even if he does, I'm not convinced that it is your god.

So you are not dead sure about the in-existence of god and you still argue like you are absolutely sure he does,and still people who are religious annoy you? BTW the debate is not about who's god exist.

Like I said before, I'm not sure right now about marriage and how I should go about it. So I'm not gonna continue discussing it.

Why not? this is something that grinds the base of all your arguments and now that you cant explain it you dont want to discuss it anymore?

Why? For my father. One of the things I can do in remembrance of my father is to perform his death ceremony every year, and that thread is necessary for me to do it. Beyond that, it means nothing to me now

I don't want to talk about this, but if u are fine we can

How do u perform the ceremony? In a religious way right? now why would you do that? The thread is necessary only if you do it in a religious way and you cannot deny that.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So you are not dead sure about the in-existence of god and you still argue like you are absolutely sure he does,and still people who are religious annoy you? BTW the debate is not about who's god exist.

I'm not arguing that he doesn't exist. I'm only arguing that your reasons for believing the he exists is not good enough. And the religious people annoy me because they won't accept that their reasons are weak or flawed when it is shown to be so during such discussions.

And this is definitely about whose god exists. If it's not, then I'm making it so.

Why not? this is something that grinds the base of all your arguments and now that you cant explain it you dont want to discuss it anymore?

Cos this is something that I need to talk about with my family. Not you. You don't get to have a say in this matter.

I don't want to talk about this, but if u are fine we can

How do u perform the ceremony? In a religious way right? now why would you do that? The thread is necessary only if you do it in a religious way and you cannot deny that.

I don't think so. In 2009 and 2010, I actually refused to perform it exactly for this reason. But it only caused pain and sorrow for my mom and my family. As a son, it's my duty to perform the death ceremony and my mom expects me to do so. It's just better for everyone that I perform the ceremony even if I don't believe in it, because others believe in it. If they didn't believe it, I wouldn't do it.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

Cos this is something that I need to talk about with my family. Not you. You don't get to have a say in this matter.

Of course i don't get a say in the matter, you just refuse to discuss this because you know you are cornered on this

I don't think so. In 2009 and 2010, I actually refused to perform it exactly for this reason. But it only caused pain and sorrow for my mom and my family. As a son, it's my duty to perform the death ceremony and my mom expects me to do so. It's just better for everyone that I perform the ceremony even if I don't believe in it, because others believe in it. If they didn't believe it, I wouldn't do it.

From all the topless pics you posted it seems like you wear it all the time. Why not take it off and wear it for the ceremony?

My family does a ceremony for the father's death ceremony. They cook food and invite the whole family over and recite some prayers for his peace. According to my religious beliefs that is the wrong way to do that and you know what i do? I leave the house for the whole day, i dont eat any food that was cooked that day. If i believe in something i stand for it and implement it in my OWN home before i start calling out others that differ with me

 

[Noodle]

My family does a ceremony for the father's death ceremony. They cook food and invite the whole family over and recite some prayers for his peace. According to my religious beliefs that is the wrong way to do that and you know what i do? I leave the house for the whole day, i dont eat any food that was cooked that day. If i believe in something i stand for it and implement it in my OWN home before i start calling out others that differ with me

Although I don't agree with with a lot of what Sheikh has said in this thread, I totally understand why he performs the religious ceremony. It's a sacrifice he makes to not hurt his mother and family. It's only one day a year to make the people around him happy, he can be an extreme atheist the remaining 364 days a year.

And what is this I hear about topless pics, Sheikh?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Of course i don't get a say in the matter, you just refuse to discuss this because you know you are cornered on this

Cornered? It's a tricky situation, and the decisions I take will have a lot of implications. I need more time to arrive at a conclusion acceptable to everyone involved. Someone's gotta compromise. The big question is, who?

From all the topless pics you posted it seems like you wear it all the time. Why not take it off and wear it for the ceremony?

My family does a ceremony for the father's death ceremony. They cook food and invite the whole family over and recite some prayers for his peace. According to my religious beliefs that is the wrong way to do that and you know what i do? I leave the house for the whole day, i dont eat any food that was cooked that day. If i believe in something i stand for it and implement it in my OWN home before i start calling out others that differ with me

"Why not take it off?" Why the hell did I never think of this! Thank you. I shall take your advice into consideration.

Although I don't agree with with a lot of what Sheikh has said in this thread, I totally understand why he performs the religious ceremony. It's a sacrifice he makes to not hurt his mother and family. It's only one day a year to make the people around him happy, he can be an extreme atheist the remaining 364 days a year.

And what is this I hear about topless pics, Sheikh?

Not really. I take every chance I get to bring happiness to my mom. She means the world to me. And she even accepts my rejection of god. It's just that my dad obviously means a lot to her. And if that is one way I can remember and honour my father, then I shall do it. Refusing to perform the ceremony because I don't believe in it seems a little arrogant to me. There are lot more people involved in it, and I'm ready to compromise my feelings in lieu of theirs.

Topless pics? Check the Post Your Picski thread.

 

[Noodle]

Not really. I take every chance I get to bring happiness to my mom. She means the world to me. And she even accepts my rejects of god. It's just that my dad obviously means a lot to her. And if that is one way I can remember and honour my father, then I shall do it. Refusing to perform the ceremony because I don't believe in it seems a little arrogant to me. There are lot more people involved in it, and I'm ready to compromise my feelings in lieu of theirs.

Topless pics? Check the Post Your Picski thread.

Of course you don't only make her happy one day of the year. The bold part is what I was trying to say.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Of course you don't only make her happy one day of the year. The bold part is what I was trying to say.

BTW, I've totally stopped going to temples. They make no sense to me anymore. I loved certain aspects about them, like the architecture, paintings and sculptures, the peace and serenity in the temple when it's not crowded. But praying to god, taking his blessings from a temple priest, eating the prasad(even though it's tasty as fuck) just don't hold any value anymore. I'm really glad my mom doesn't impose them upon me too.