Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (40 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

well thats perversion of a faith. Any faith perverted for mans gain isn't real faith.

LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT: No true Scotsman.

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

If you are nitpicking in terms of the modern state, I already stated I am speaking in terms of the culture of people in that geographical area.

i am not nitpicking and it's funny you mentioned the word "epicenter", there are 2 reasons this region has become called SAUDI(name of a family) and one is strictly geological.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT: No true Scotsman.

Explain how thats a logical fallacy ? Its things like this that annoy people who are discussing with you

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

OK I can respect that. From a friend to another just look at how you approach it. Some might further their discussion with you and others on here if the rhetoric is toned down

I'll do that as long as you stop ignoring our criticism of faith. Also, I'd still like it if you addressed the 3 points I told you about earlier.

ALC is the one that said the rule was based on Islam, the burden of proof is on him not on me. But i'll play along nonetheless, and i'll repeat myself for the gazillionth time. Arab society has always been patriarchal, long before Islam was introduced to them. I recommend that you read about Arab customs, culture and society in general before Islam.

I shall take your advice into consideration.

 

[Ford Prefect]

trawling youtube for hitchens videos atm, i miss him

 

[Fred]

I'll do that as long as you stop ignoring our criticism of faith. Also, I'd still like it if you addressed the 3 points I told you about earlier.


I shall take your advice into consideration.

Just a warning, you're going to be horrified

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trawling youtube for hitchens videos atm, i miss him

He's an arsehole.

 

[Ford Prefect]

Just a warning, you're going to be horrified

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He's an arsehole.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Explain how thats a logical fallacy ? Its things like this that annoy people who are discussing with you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

According to you, anyone who perverts faith for personal gains is not of true faith. Instead of addressing the issue of people of faith who use it for personal gains, you are modifying your definition of 'true faith' to exclude such people. And eventually, you can expand your definition so that people who have committed any wrong in the name of their faith is not of true faith. Thus the fallacy.

 

[Fred]

I'm not referring to his arrogant, rude tone while debating, nor his opinions on theology btw. I'm referring to his opinions on the invasion of Iraq.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Just a warning, you're going to be horrified

Can't be more horrific than the deformed faces of children caused by Joseph Kony.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

According to you, anyone who perverts faith for personal gains is not of true faith. Instead of addressing the issue of people of faith who use it for personal gains, you are modifying your definition of 'true faith' to exclude such people. And eventually, you can expand your definition so that people who have committed any wrong in the name of their faith is not of true faith. Thus the fallacy.

instead of defining it for him why dont you just ask him for his definition? you are more interested in trying to find fault than in learning

 

[Ford Prefect]

I'm not referring to his arrogant, rude tone while debating, nor his opinions on theology btw. I'm referring to his opinions on the invasion of Iraq.

I didn't support the invasion and occupation but his opinion for me is the only positive that came out of the invasion, seperate debate though.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

instead of defining it for him why dont you just ask him for his definition? you are more interested in trying to find fault than in learning

I already have in previous discussions. And he hasn't given me one. We've also touched upon some people having more faith than teh other. I asked him how you measure faith, and he didn't have an answer for that either.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I already have in previous discussions. And he hasn't given me one. We've also touched upon some people having more faith than teh other. I asked him how you measure faith, and he didn't have an answer for that either.

I told you many times you just don't like the answers because they don't fit your paradigm

 

[Juve matador]

I know this religious guy who won't eat fast food, or drink alcohol, because he must treat his body like a temple.


Fair dues to him, he sticks by his religion, unlike most fuckers who are religious but bang about 20 hookers before marriage.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Peoples faith is measured by their fruits that's when you know if the faith is perverted for their personal gain or not. Faith also isn't measured per se but if it was it would also be because of their fruits. Mother Theresa had much more faith than I because she lived it every minute

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I told you many times you just don't like the answers because they don't fit your paradigm

Try me. Give me your most comprehensive definition of true faith.

 

[ALC]

I know this religious guy who won't eat fast food, or drink alcohol, because he must treat his body like a temple.


Fair dues to him, he sticks by his religion, unlike most fuckers who are religious but bang about 20 hookers before marriage.

that shit's just retarded imo. And what if you get a scratch? Did you just fuck up the temple?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Try me. Give me your most comprehensive definition of true faith.

Look above.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I know this religious guy who won't eat fast food, or drink alcohol, because he must treat his body like a temple.


Fair dues to him, he sticks by his religion, unlike most fuckers who are religious but bang about 20 hookers before marriage.

Very good point. People who profess with their mouths but not their hearts is not of God