Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (24 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

right, i'm referring to the ones who think god only created humans, and buried the dinosaur bones to weed out the nonbelievers and shit like that.

ok

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

Religion and science are incompatable, they teach opposite doctrines - one teaches to accept and one teaches to question. I prefer to question.



You say that knowing nothing about me aside from words typed with no affectation? You know that I could say exactly the same thing about anyone on here and it would be as redudant as you saying it to me now. My appologies for standing by my ideologies.

nothing wrong with standing for what you believe in, but to call everyone who doesnt agree an idiot, then speak their beliefs for them now thats just close-minded. Sam, if you want to know what someone believes, the best and easiest way is just to ask them.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Because for a non believer it becomes easier to believe if he sees one, dontcha think?

miracles happen daily, the non believer just wont see it, because they arent opened to them

 

[Ford Prefect]

Also stop calling me an athiest, im not an athiest - athiesm isn't a belief system its the lack of belief in a god. Humanism is my belief system.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Religion and science are incompatable, they teach opposite doctrines - one teaches to accept and one teaches to question. I prefer to question.



You say that knowing nothing about me aside from words typed with no affectation? You know that I could say exactly the same thing about anyone on here and it would be as redudant as you saying it to me now. My appologies for standing by my ideologies.

religion and science are two sides of the same coin my friend

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Believing that God created man and creationism don't necessarily have to go hand in hand. I believe God created everything so who said that process of evolution cant' fall under that umbrella?

Did god explain that he created life through the process that we now know as evolution? Does his description of the process of creation prove, without a shadow of doubt, that evolution was his means of creation?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Also stop calling me an athiest, im not an athiest - athiesm isn't a belief system its the lack of belief in a god. Humanism is my belief system.

so humanism is the belief that man is God?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Religion and science are incompatable, they teach opposite doctrines - one teaches to accept and one teaches to question. I prefer to question.

A Muslim Nobel Laureate begs to differ. He dedicated his life to both science and his religion.

And you're as arrogant as you accuse Jasper of being.

Look if you intention was to troll, you were successful but if you wanted to have a discussion you need to learn something about what I actually believe. Starting a civilized argument by assuming that I believe in a bearded God who transcends time and space to rule from the sky is neither neither the right way or remotely accurate.

 

[Enron]

That 'resurrection' you speak of is actually what the Bible refers to when it speaks of Jesus' resurrection from a comatose state but that's a different topic.

Anyway, to answer your question...Doctors can't and will never be able to resurrect a person who has died thousands of years ago.

Um how do you explain the coming zombie war as well as those past?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Did god explain that he created life through the process that we now know as evolution? Does his description of the process of creation prove, without a shadow of doubt, that evolution was his means of creation?

you know what your problem is ...your an absolutest and the problem is that neither science nor religion gives absolutes, science has theories and religion has faith.

 

[Ford Prefect]

nothing wrong with standing for what you believe in, but to call everyone who doesnt agree an idiot, then speak their beliefs for them now thats just close-minded. Sam, if you want to know what someone believes, the best and easiest way is just to ask them.

You are missing the point, these words hold different values of offense to you as they do to me and if you heard my voice as i said them you'd probably understand. This is the problem with debating online and why for the most part (aside from this week) I've stayed away from this section since I started posting on here again, I have nothing to gain from having the same discussion over and over.

 

[Enron]

so humanism is the belief that man is God?

No. The correct question is "what is humanism".

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you know what your problem is ...your an absolutest and the problem is that neither science nor religion gives absolutes, science has theories and religion has faith.

Except for those pesky laws and things like absolute zero. Anywho, you're right that both change as we learn more.

 

[NinjaPoggy]

miracles happen daily, the non believer just wont see it, because they arent opened to them

People like you are the only ones who see things as miracles. Why dont god just make a flying talking elephant appear and talk about the greatness of god? That WILL turn all non believers into religious people.
Why not?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You are missing the point, these words hold different values of offense to you as they do to me and if you heard my voice as i said them you'd probably understand. This is the problem with debating online and why for the most part (aside from this week) I've stayed away from this section since I started posting on here again, I have nothing to gain from having the same discussion over and over.

this coming from the same guy who told me I sounded stupid by saying, " you need to know the deeper meaning of the words in scripture and not just read them"

 

[Ford Prefect]

so humanism is the belief that man is God?

I didn't really want to get into this again, and I shouldn't have started it again with the poll joke, which I then took seriously...don't kno why .

Humanism is a really complex belief system/ideology. It boils down the notion that there is nothing higher than man and its our responcibility to work together to build a better world. Its a secular belief system on its own, but some religious folk adopt some of the sections of the ideology.

Its basically ideological altruism.

 

[Enron]

You are missing the point, these words hold different values of offense to you as they do to me and if you heard my voice as i said them you'd probably understand. This is the problem with debating online and why for the most part (aside from this week) I've stayed away from this section since I started posting on here again, I have nothing to gain from having the same discussion over and over.

Pshh. Just cause a word isn't offensive to you doesn't mean it's ok to use it. No one can hear you talk in space, so tone it down Sambo.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

People like you are the only ones who see things as miracles. Why dont god just make a flying talking elephant appear and talk about the greatness of god? That WILL turn all non believers into religious people.
Why not?

Free will my man. If God just did miracles like that or just showed up and said here I am , then there would be no free will and we wouldnt have the choice to find him. He didnt create drones he created children whom he wants to return to him with their own desires to return not because he deemed it

 

[Enron]

I didn't really want to get into this again, and I shouldn't have started it again with the poll joke, which I then took seriously...don't kno why .

Humanism is a really complex belief system/ideology. It boils down the notion that there is nothing higher than man and its our responcibility to work together to build a better world. Its a secular belief system on its own, but some religious folk adopt some of the sections of the ideology.

Its basically ideological altruism.

He won't get it.

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Free will my man. If God just did miracles like that or just showed up and said here I am , then there would be no free will and we wouldnt have the choice to find him. He didnt create drones he created children whom he wants to return to him with their own desires to return not because he deemed it

God doesn't require his children to return to him.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I didn't really want to get into this again, and I shouldn't have started it again with the poll joke, which I then took seriously...don't kno why .

Humanism is a really complex belief system/ideology. It boils down the notion that there is nothing higher than man and its our responcibility to work together to build a better world. Its a secular belief system on its own, but some religious folk adopt some of the sections of the ideology.

Its basically ideological altruism.

like i said man is God= humanism ( not mocking here just saying)

 

[Zé Tahir]

Did god explain that he created life through the process that we now know as evolution? Does his description of the process of creation prove, without a shadow of doubt, that evolution was his means of creation?

We don't know anything to be evolution. There's a theory, by Charles Darwin, that some have accepted to be the most accurate process of evolution but something that scientists are always researching. Just wanted to clarify that.

To answer your question: Yes, the Qur'an does speak of a evolutionary process. As we're gaining more knowledge as human through the science we're understanding the scripture more and more.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_1.html