Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (29 Viewers)

[Zé Tahir]

AC, can you explain how someone can come back from the dead?

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

AC, can you explain how someone can come back from the dead?

Easily if God can create everything just by willing it into existence why could he not raise a person from the dead? I mean honestly, why do we put limits on God just because we are limited?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Easily if God can create everything just by willing it into existence why could he not raise a person from the dead? I mean honestly, why do we put limits on God just because we are limited?

Could he create a boulder that he couldn't move?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I don't think your premise is correct. Evolution describes how different species evolved. From what I learnt in school and my recent understanding, it explains the speciation of life, not the origin of life.

Also, I pointed out that 'examination of nature' is done in detail, not the explanation. While the expansion is detailed too, I'm not the right person to describe it to you as I'm not an evolutionary biologist.

where did these species start? where did they evolve from?

and why are you so confident about something you know very little about?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I have found my God, you havent yet but you will

Personal anecdotes are not evidence. This is just double standards. You ask evidence for the God Particle, yet don't ask for the same when it comes to believing in a god.

Whatever's convenient.

You'd expect a supreme creator to be more unambiguous than that!

there isnt decision, if you study the scripture and see what the actual words mean in the original aramaic or hebrew then there is only one way to interpret the scripture

This is where I remind you that the Bible is not the only scripture that exists in our world. There are other texts and scriptures that mention creation.

 

[X Æ A-12]

http://scienceray.com/philosophy-of-science/holes-in-the-theory-of-evolution-2/

this is just one of the writings

That was a very poorly written article by someone who really has no understanding of evolution.

Read the second comment from the top. Guy absolutely toasts all his arguments.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That was a very poorly written article by someone who really has no understanding of evolution.

Read the second comment from the top. Guy absolutely toasts all his arguments.

www.reasonstobelieve.com

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 20:10 ----------

Personal anecdotes are not evidence. This is just double standards. You ask evidence for the God Particle, yet don't ask for the same when it comes to believing in a god.

You'd expect a supreme creator to be more unambiguous than that!



This is where I remind you that the Bible is not the only scripture that exists in our world. There are other texts and scriptures that mention creation.

Thats all well and good but if you do comparative religion alot of the same strains run through them all

 

[Zé Tahir]

Easily if God can create everything just by willing it into existence why could he not raise a person from the dead? I mean honestly, why do we put limits on God just because we are limited?

I'm not putting limits on God. If he wanted to he could put a giraffe head on a human but that's hardly how he works, is it?

Why would God break his own rules? (we can agree that he's created universe and its laws, right?)

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm not putting limits on God. If he wanted to he could put a giraffe head on a human but that's hardly how he works, is it?

Why would God break his own rules? (we can agree that he's created universe and its laws, right?)

Where does it resurrection is against the rules? Doctors do it?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

where did these species start? where did they evolve from?

and why are you so confident about something you know very little about?

Great question. I don't know where they started. I've heard about the primordial soup, but I know very little about it.

I know very little about it because I didn't study it in college it do my masters in it. But I trust the scientists who did study it and researched it. I also trust the education board who approved this topic as something real enough to be worthy of bring taught to me in school from a very early stage. This, along with the evidence I've been able to see gives my confidence in it.

How about you? How do you think life on earth started and why you believe it?

 

[X Æ A-12]

I'm not putting limits on God. If he wanted to he could put a giraffe head on a human but that's hardly how he works, is it?

Why would God break his own rules? (we can agree that he's created universe and its laws, right?)

See I never get this nit picking at individual things in religion. So you're fine believing in an omnipresent bearded man who transcends time and space to rule from the sky but when he resurrects someone that's too much for you? That's the uncrossable line?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Thats all well and good but if you do comparative religion alot of the same strains run through them all

Different strains? Like what?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Great question. I don't know where they started. I've heard about the primordial soup, but I know very little about it.

I know very little about it because I didn't study it in college it do my masters in it. But I trust the scientists who did study it and researched it. I also trust the education board who approved this topic as something real enough to be worthy of bring taught to me in school from a very early stage. This, along with the evidence I've been able to see gives my confidence in it.

How about you? How do you think life on earth started and why you believe it?

so for you its easier to put your faith in man who has been wrong so many times and science has been changed altered or unproven. For me I would rather have faith in the divine creator than flawed man

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 20:26 ----------

Different strains? Like what?

I said the same not different

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Where does it resurrection is against the rules? Doctors do it?

That's resuscitation, not resurrection. I don't think any doctor had been able to revive a person who has been dead for 3 days or so. If they were, then sure it would be a breakthrough in human history and health science.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

See I never get this nit picking at individual things in religion. So you're fine believing in an omnipresent bearded man who transcends time and space to rule from the sky but when he resurrects someone that's too much for you? That's the uncrossable line?

This is were we agree. Although I dont believe God the father is a bearded man he doesnt even have a physical form only Yeshua was God and man
I look at the trinity like this God (Mind) Yeshua ( Body) Holy Spirit is the Soul. 3 separate pieces to the same God

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 20:30 ----------

That's resuscitation, not resurrection. I don't think any doctor had been able to revive a person who has been dead for 3 days or so. If they were, then sure it would be a breakthrough in human history and health science.

Bro people have been flatlined for over half an hour declared dead and been brought back thats Resurrection. Lets not even talk about those left for dead and then they awaken themselves without medical explanation

 

[Ford Prefect]

yes but you dont understand scripture you read it as you read this forum, without deeper knowledge of the meaning or attributes of the words

...nothing to add, i'll let you think about how stupid that is.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome
medical ressurection

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 20:34 ----------

...nothing to add, i'll let you think about how stupid that is.

its not stupid you just seem to be the only one who doesnt understand it

 

[Ford Prefect]

:wth:

I'm not a creationist.

"God make Man?" - what else can that mean?....If you don't agree with either point then don't vote, but that question clearly leads to creationism....its asking if you agee that god created man.....

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

so for you its easier to put your faith in man who has been wrong so many times and science has been changed altered or unproven. For me I would rather have faith in the divine creator than flawed man

Aah, but don't you see? This is the strengths of science, not a flaw. Science adjusts its views based on the evidence and observations. The ability and humility to change its views to reflect reality is the resin why I choose to believe it rather than a divine creator.

The divine creator's biggest flaw is the unchanging nature of his words as described in his scriptures. Once something has been shown to be false, there is no turning back.

I said the same not different

Sorry about that. Can you give examples of this?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Aah, but don't you see? This is the strengths of science, not a flaw. Science adjusts its views based on the evidence and observations. The ability and humility to change its views to reflect reality is the resin why I choose to believe it rather than a divine creator.

The divine creator's biggest flaw is the unchanging nature of his words as described in his scriptures. Once something has been shown to be false, there is no turning back.



Sorry about that. Can you give examples of this?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-c001.html