Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (24 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There are many people who believe in God and believe that evolution is the method of which Gods creation unfolds

On what basis do they believe that? Scripture, or just the possibility that god can do anything?

That's the evolutionary atheists answer always but yet they don't have answers for the wholes in evolution

Evolutionary atheists? First time I'm hearing that term.

There's lot more holes in creation than in evolution. And at least there are scientists who are trying to answer the holes. What do creationists got? Unchanging scripture? Then I know who my money is on.

 

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[ALC]

That's the evolutionary atheists answer always but yet they don't have answers for the wholes in evolution

Evolution is pretty well established, I understand people who are religious yet still believe in evolution but disregarding it is just ignorant.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That's not creationism though.


Care to give an example of those holes?

There are plenty especially the something out of nothing "God Particle " no one can find

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Evolution is pretty well established, I understand people who are religious yet still believe in evolution but disregarding it is just ignorant.

I never said I disregarded it. There are some who do

 

[AndreaCristiano]

On what basis do they believe that? Scripture, or just the possibility that god can do anything?


Evolutionary atheists? First time I'm hearing that term.

There's lot more holes in creation than in evolution. And at least there are scientists who are trying to answer the holes. What do creationists got? Unchanging scripture? Then I know who my money is on.

Why do you always go back to scripture ? You dont even understand the nuances of scripture you just read and see words

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

listen just let it go.

No YOU let it go. You are the one trying to be sceptical about claims I never made.

There are plenty especially the something out of nothing "God Particle " no one can find

We can't find your god also. So shall we call it even?

 

[X Æ A-12]

There are plenty especially the something out of nothing "God Particle " no one can find

How is the existence (or non existence) of the god particle a whole in evolution? Totally unrelated, dude

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why do you always go back to scripture ? You dont even understand the nuances of scripture you just read and see words

Because scriptures are what tell us about gods and how they created whatever they claimed to create. Don't you agree that scripture are our source that describe gods' attributes?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Because scriptures are what tell us about gods and how they created whatever they claimed to create. Don't you agree that scripture are our source that describe gods' attributes?

yes but you dont understand scripture you read it as you read this forum, without deeper knowledge of the meaning or attributes of the words

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Because scriptures are what tell us about gods and how they created whatever they claimed to create. Don't you agree that scripture are our source that describe gods' attributes?

Sometimes. It can literal or figurative depending on what argument you want it to support.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

How is the existence (or non existence) of the god particle a whole in evolution? Totally unrelated, dude

not really kyle even though they are two seperate theories without the Higgs boson particle the big bang theory isnt feasible, so therefore the necessary elements that create this world and then create the proper instances for proper evolution to take grasp.So indirectly they are related

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Sometimes. It can literal or figurative depending on what argument you want it to support.

not true. here is an example many people say how can God create the world in 7 days, but when you read scripture correctly especially correlating it to its original hebrew, it is talking of God's time, not humans understanding of time. so therefore for a rough breakdown a human life is but a blink of God's eye in his time, so therefore a day in God's time is a human ion per se

 

[GordoDeCentral]

No YOU let it go. You are the one trying to be sceptical about claims I never made.


We can't find your god also. So shall we call it even?

i see, kind i shall be no more. You said

"Not to mention, evolution is a result of detailed examination of nature through archaeology, DNA, homology, etc. whereas creation is just the imagination of men, and has no ground in reality. "

Now evolution explains our existence, how we got here. You rpesented as detailed. Now how we got here, explain to me how the how we got here started, in detail please.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

yes but you dont understand scripture you read it as you read this forum, without deeper knowledge of the meaning or attributes of the words

Sometimes. It can literal or figurative depending on what argument you want it to support.

But who decides what is the interpretation that gods/authors intended? How do you know that this figurative meaning or deeper meaning is what god/the author intended with his words?

 

[X Æ A-12]

not really kyle even though they are two seperate theories without the Higgs boson particle the big bang theory isnt feasible, so therefore the necessary elements that create this world and then create the proper instances for proper evolution to take grasp.So indirectly they are related

You are talking about the creation of the universe though. Evolution is not an explanation of the creation of matter.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

No YOU let it go. You are the one trying to be sceptical about claims I never made.


We can't find your god also. So shall we call it even?

I have found my God, you havent yet but you will

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You are talking about the creation of the universe though. Evolution is not an explanation of that.

I understand that but without this event would our planet be as it is ? Then would evolution have taken place as described?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

not true. here is an example many people say how can God create the world in 7 days, but when you read scripture correctly especially correlating it to its original hebrew, it is talking of God's time, not humans understanding of time. so therefore for a rough breakdown a human life is but a blink of God's eye in his time, so therefore a day in God's time is a human ion per se

Tell that to the fundies.

But who decides what is the interpretation that gods/authors intended? How do you know that this figurative meaning or deeper meaning is what god/the author intended with his words?

Whatever's convenient.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I have found my God, you havent yet but you will

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I understand that but without this event would our planet be as it is ? Then would evolution have taken place as described?

I still don't get your point of how that is a flaw in evolutionary theory.

 

[Zé Tahir]

"God make Man?" - implies creationism...

:wth:

I'm not a creationist.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But who decides what is the interpretation that gods/authors intended? How do you know that this figurative meaning or deeper meaning is what god/the author intended with his words?

there isnt decision, if you study the scripture and see what the actual words mean in the original aramaic or hebrew then there is only one way to interpret the scripture

---------- Post added 07.03.2012 at 19:56 ----------

I still don't get your point of how that is a flaw in evolutionary theory.

http://scienceray.com/philosophy-of-science/holes-in-the-theory-of-evolution-2/

this is just one of the writings

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

i see, kind i shall be no more. You said

"Not to mention, evolution is a result of detailed examination of nature through archaeology, DNA, homology, etc. whereas creation is just the imagination of men, and has no ground in reality. "

Now evolution explains our existence, how we got here. You rpesented as detailed. Now how we got here, explain to me how the how we got here started, in detail please.

I don't think your premise is correct. Evolution describes how different species evolved. From what I learnt in school and my recent understanding, it explains the speciation of life, not the origin of life.

Also, I pointed out that 'examination of nature' is done in detail, not the explanation. While the expansion is detailed too, I'm not the right person to describe it to you as I'm not an evolutionary biologist.