Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (66 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

, your an idiot.


Yeah like stoning and shit, awesome fun times. Does anyone else think that Jesus was a selfish man? I mean he could have done soooo much more if he had all the powers that people believe he did.

Selfish lol you mean the guy who died on a cross to carry our sins yea he was selfish.

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

Selfish lol you mean the guy who died on a cross to carry our sins yea he was selfish.

What sin?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What sin?

Sin of man , original sin

 

[acmilan]

that apple thing?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sin of man , original sin

The sin being Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the forbidden tree, correct?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

that apple thing?

Well technically it wasn't even an apple but it goes back to every culture beside abrahamic religions. Man is in a fallen state and in the abrahamic faiths after God destroyed the earth in flood he swore to never again avail his wrath for our sinful nature. As the world continued to choose sin over virtue he knew the only way for salvation was through grace. The sacrifices of old were replaced with Yeshua becoming the knew lamb and sacrifice shedding his blood so we knew had to sacrifice again. As long as we had true faith in him and his father who sent him

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Well technically it wasn't even an apple but it goes back to every culture beside abrahamic religions. Man is in a fallen state and in the abrahamic faiths after God destroyed the earth in flood he swore to never again avail his wrath for our sinful nature. As the world continued to choose sin over virtue he knew the only way for salvation was through grace. The sacrifices of old were replaced with Yeshua becoming the knew lamb and sacrifice shedding his blood so we knew had to sacrifice again. As long as we had true faith in him and his father who sent him

So God made a mistake? He should've skipped the flood and sent Jesus in the first place.

 

[acmilan]

Well technically it wasn't even an apple but it goes back to every culture beside abrahamic religions. Man is in a fallen state and in the abrahamic faiths after God destroyed the earth in flood he swore to never again avail his wrath for our sinful nature. As the world continued to choose sin over virtue he knew the only way for salvation was through grace. The sacrifices of old were replaced with Yeshua becoming the knew lamb and sacrifice shedding his blood so we knew had to sacrifice again. As long as we had true faith in him and his father who sent him

oh, I see

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So God made a mistake? He should've skipped the flood and sent Jesus in the first place.

First off it wasn't a mistake it was all part of the salvation plan. All knowing and seeing. The problem with us humans is we see in one dimension and within the constraints of time and cannot comprehend anything greater than ourselves. Human arrogence really. We think we are the center of the universe

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

First off it wasn't a mistake it was all part of the salvation plan. All knowing and seeing. The problem with us humans is we see in one dimension and within the constraints of time and cannot comprehend anything greater than ourselves. Human arrogence really. We think we are the center of the universe

I see.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I am leaving work now to go to family for the seven fishes and Christmas eve dinner. Its big in Italian families so we can pick this up another day. Have a blessed Christmas

 

[acmilan]

you too, AC - happy holidays :xmas:

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I am leaving work now to go to family for the seven fishes and Christmas eve dinner. Its big in Italian families so we can pick this up another day. Have a blessed Christmas

Peace, Andrea.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

First off it wasn't a mistake it was all part of the salvation plan. All knowing and seeing. The problem with us humans is we see in one dimension and within the constraints of time and cannot comprehend anything greater than ourselves. Human arrogence really. We think we are the center of the universe

Salvation plan

Happy holiday...

 

[ZoSo]

80% of the arguments against religion here are stupid and uneducated comments mocking faith.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

80% of the arguments against religion here are stupid and uneducated comments mocking faith.

Stupid arguments? List my stupid arguments, and i shall try to addresses them.

Also, please demonstrate to me why faith is a good thing to have instead if belief on the basis of evidence.

 

[ZoSo]

Stupid arguments? List my stupid arguments, and i shall try to addresses them.

Also, please demonstrate to me why faith is a good thing to have instead if belief on the basis of evidence.

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And anyway, I wasn't really directing that at you, at least you try to make logical arguments (that I disagree with) unlike the majority in here.

 

[Salvo]

Selfish lol you mean the guy who died on a cross to carry our sins yea he was selfish.

Yeah but he knew he would be sweet in 3 days, wasn't that much of a sacrifice, really. Sure he suffered somewhat but he knew his dad would come save his ass.


In all seriousness though merry Jesus day brother

 

[Raz]

It's not Jesus day! It's a pagan astronomy holiday! Jesus if ever he was born he was not born on this day.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah but he knew he would be sweet in 3 days, wasn't that much of a sacrifice, really. Sure he suffered somewhat but he knew his dad would come save his ass.


In all seriousness though merry Jesus day brother

But but but.... Didn't he say "father into your hands, i commend my spirit. Why have you forsaken me?" So he did not know if his father would help him!