Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (26 Viewers)

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Dec 26, 2004
10,655
Ohh is someone trying to introduce logical fallacies here :)

No they can't, which is why in the end his ultimate goal is fruitless (as science, being limited, will never be able to discover the true nature of the world, it is only a torch and a large dark valley), but there nonetheless are interesting parts of his work along the way to his dead end failure.
The ultimate goal of Syehpen Hawking's study is to explore how the world came to existence with no predefined conclusion, this actually what is so amazing about science, and this is why there is absolutely no way that his work and efforts is destined to dead and failure as there is NO predefined target which we intends to reach or to prove, he is EXPLORING.

Still, he is making all the wrong assumptions according to you and yet reaching interesting results, if this is not a logical fallacies I don't know what is.
 

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Sep 18, 2009
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The ultimate goal of Syehpen Hawking's study is to explore how the world came to existence with no predefined conclusion, this actually what is so amazing about science, and this is why there is absolutely no way that his work and efforts is destined to dead and failure as there is NO predefined target which we intends to reach or to prove, he is EXPLORING.

Still, he is making all the wrong assumptions according to you and yet reaching interesting results, if this is not a logical fallacies I don't know what is.
Nopes I didn't say that. I said some of the things he finds along the way are interesting, but his ultimate goal will never be achieved because it is itself based on illogical axioms.
 
Dec 26, 2004
10,655
No I saw what you were getting to right from the start.

But you're not seeing what I'm saying.

SH is ultimately destined for failure.
You saw it and yet you allowed me to expose your logical fallacies.

Forget about the destined for failure thing as you clearly didn't the point of my previous post, again just answer the simple question:

How can Stephen Hawking finding be interesting while he is making illogical axioms?
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
16,022
Anyways GTG so:

1 - God created the universe
2 - He is completely not bound by time and space as he created them
3 - Science is not able to prove/disprove something that is not bound by time or space
4 - Science is only a torch in a dark valley, it can never be a sole source for truth, only an aide
5 - One day we will all die and know the reality of everything
 
Apr 15, 2006
56,640
You saw it and yet you allowed me to expose your logical fallacies.

Forget about the destined for failure thing as you clearly didn't the point of my previous post, again just answer the simple question:

How can Stephen Hawking finding be interesting while he is making illogical axioms?
It can only be interesting to an illogical person. And Linebreak fits the description.
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
16,022
You saw it and yet you allowed me to expose your logical fallacies.

Forget about the destined for failure thing as you clearly didn't the point of my previous post, again just answer the simple question:

How can Stephen Hawking finding be interesting while he is making illogical axioms?
Just because some of his findings are interesting doesn't mean they are ultimate truth. They could be disproved at any time in the future by himself or others, who knows. It doesn't take away from the fact that they are interesting, not truth, just interesting.
 
Dec 26, 2004
10,655
Anyways GTG so:

1 - God created the universe
2 - He is completely not bound by time and space as he created them
3 - Science is not able to prove/disprove something that is not bound by time or space
4 - Science is only a torch in a dark valley, it can never be a sole source for truth, only an aide
5 - One day we will all die and know the reality of everything
Still you are clearly avoiding my questions.
 

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