Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (12 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

But the burden of proof lies on the believer. If you believe in something, it's you who has to provide reason for your belief.

If I go by your logic, then I can believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn until you disprove it. That kind of mentality does not help anyone!

Oh, and since you said you believe it's impossible to prove his existence, same goes for being impossible to prove his in-existence too, don't you think?

 

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[Elvin]

I heard Stephen Hawkings is making a film proving that God does not exist.

 

[Salvo]

God is a myth, if we switched bible stories with fairy tales millions would believe that Jack in the beanstalk is real .

 

[ALC]

How's he gonna prove it?

 

[Trequartista]

The problem with a lot of atheist debaters when they face William Lane Craig is that they are not trained rhetoricians. Philosophers are usually the best trained debaters and William Lane Craig often faces scientists who are not trained well enough or arrogant philosophers who underestimate him.

The best debate I saw of an atheist against WLC is by Shelly Kagan, a Professor of philosophy at Yale.

I think it was a very, very good debate and it was a very close affair. I think that Kagan edged it, but barely.

But the burden of proof lies on the believer. If you believe in something, it's you who has to provide reason for your belief.

If I go by your logic, then I can believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn until you disprove it. That kind of mentality does not help anyone!

Oh, and since you said you believe it's impossible to prove his existence, same goes for being impossible to prove his in-existence too, don't you think?

The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim. For example, if an atheist claims that God doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on him whereas if a theist claims that God does exist, the burden of proof is on that person.

 

[Amash]

If god exists why there are lightning rods(conductors) on churches and mosques?

 

[JuveJay]

Belief (something made up in your head)
Reality (something tangible you can see/feel/hear)

 

[Nzoric]

I'm sorry that I haven't been a part of this debate, since it's an interesting subject. A few posts up, there is a poster who sais "The burden of proof lies on the believer" - this is a statement I can fully support. The reason as to why I'm hesitant to declare myself an atheist is because I think "belief" is too important an concept to be completely swept aside. I do not believe in any of the major religions, nor do I believe in an intelligent creator who sits on top of the pyramid, but that doesn't mean that a person doesn't have beliefs.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

@Trequartista: But here's the thing: the claim of the existence of god came first. And the claim that a god does not exist came after analysing the evidence provided to support the claim that god exists. So before an atheist can to provide proof of the in-existence of god, the theist has to provide evidence that god exists.

 

[JUVEMAN1211]

This whole discussion really scares me. I consider myself to be atheist, but I really don't know what I believe, so I might be agnostic but anyways.. I honestly think God is a crutch that ppl believe in so they can fall back on something during hard times. Also, the fact that the Bible is so sacred and its the "word of God" or whatever is compeletly retarded to me. The Bible is like a big game of telephone to me (hopefully yall know what I am talking about). But what scares me is the fact that WHAT IF God is real and I am completely fucked....I dont know what to do you know what I mean? hopefully you guys can relate and I am not the only one scared haha in the long run at least

 

[JUVEMAN1211]

Btw sorry I am just jumping into this conversation like that. I just thought i would add my two cents

 

[Azzurri7]

You guys never heard of Alessandro Del Piero?

 

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God's existence is self evident

Do you really think the big bang came out of no where? Nothing created something? Of course not. If you can believe that then you could believe a a tornado through a wrecking yard could create a Ferrari

 

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You guys never heard of Alessandro Del Piero?

ADP believes in God

 

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If god exists why there are lightning rods(conductors) on churches and mosques?

Umm because God created the world with certain natural laws maybe?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

God's existence is self evident

Do you really think the big bang came out of no where? Nothing created something? Of course not. If you can believe that then you could believe a a tornado through a wrecking yard could create a Ferrari

I think the flying spaghetti monster just accidentaly dropped 2 immense meatballs, causing a mess in the universe which we now refer to as the big bang.

Therefor, the flying spaghetti monster's existence is obviously evident. Just saying.

 

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I think the flying spaghetti monster just accidentaly dropped 2 immense meatballs, causing a mess in the universe which we now refer to as the big bang.

Therefor, the flying spaghetti monster's existence is obviously evident. Just saying.

So you believe a tornado through a wrecking yard could create a Ferrari?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

So you believe a tornado through a wrecking yard could create a Ferrari?

Depends on the exact model & year.


Seriously though, your analogy may just be the best one I have ever read. Regardless of the subject even.

 

[ALC]

If God wants it to, yeah.

 

[Trequartista]

God's existence is self evident

Do you really think the big bang came out of no where? Nothing created something? Of course not. If you can believe that then you could believe a a tornado through a wrecking yard could create a Ferrari

Who created god? If everything that has a beginning has a cause, God has one too. Don't say that he always existed and always will, that's special pleading, which is a logical fallacy.

Scientists currently think that quantum mechanics could explain how the big bang happened and they're working on it. Quantum mechanics are extremely complex and are very hard to understand though.