Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (28 Viewers)

[Lawnchair Bes]

this is where you are wrong, an atheist does not disbelieve in god, he merely does not make belief in god a part of his life. can you disbelieve other "mythical creatures"? same thing with god. yet we do not have word for non-believers in mythical creatures

and, i conceded to personal choice. again, my problem is when the belief in a version of god is used to justify public policy that goes against things like philosophy and physics.

again, people can believe in god, all they want just like they can believe in santa, just don't use santa's revealed truth to judge people because i doubt you actually talked to him

 

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[Martin]

1) the statement "god does not exist" cannot be proven either, which makes atheism a believe just like theism. So you'd better be agnostic, and not an atheist.

An atheist is just someone who doesn't have a belief in god, it's nothing more than that. It's nothing special. One person will say "I believe my horse is going to win this race and I'll be rich". Another person will say "I don't share that belief". That is all an atheist is.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Atheism is the religion of no religion.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

An atheist is just someone who doesn't have a belief in god, it's nothing more than that. It's nothing special. One person will say "I believe my horse is going to win this race and I'll be rich". Another person will say "I don't share that belief". That is all an atheist is.

More like: "I don't care about horse racing, and it doesn't exist."

atheism |ˈāθēˌizəm|
noun
the theory or belief that God does not exist.

 

[Dinsdale]

You're mixing things up here. You asked if I'm "allowing for the existence of god" in the case that science does not explain everything. I said my reason for rejecting the idea of god is because I don't need to have a god in my life, regardless of science's ability to explain the world to me. How that is an "emotional" reason I don't know. If you ask someone if they want a drink and they say no thanks are they being "emotional" about it?

Yes. Being needy is an emotion. Adversity towards being needy is an emotion.

Is the existence of god plausible? No, I don't think it is. Why not? Go back to what aca said. If it is not plausible that this magical world created itself, how plausible is it that an even more magical magician created it? Also see aca's humorous image that he posted a few pages ago, it's a nice summary of christian beliefs.

So you're saying that both atheism and theism are not plausible, but that theism is "more unplausible" than atheism? Wow.

I'm getting really, really tired of saying this, but religious beliefs != theism. (you know relational operators, right? )

 

[Dinsdale]

this is where you are wrong, an atheist does not disbelieve in god, he merely does not make belief in god a part of his life. can you disbelieve other "mythical creatures"? same thing with god. yet we do not have word for non-believers in mythical creatures

and, i conceded to personal choice. again, my problem is when the belief in a version of god is used to justify public policy that goes against things like philosophy and physics.

again, people can believe in god, all they want just like they can believe in santa, just don't use santa's revealed truth to judge people because i doubt you actually talked to him

An atheist is just someone who doesn't have a belief in god, it's nothing more than that. It's nothing special. One person will say "I believe my horse is going to win this race and I'll be rich". Another person will say "I don't share that belief". That is all an atheist is.

Who of you guys should I reply to?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

we said the same thing

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

this is where you are wrong, an atheist does not disbelieve in god, he merely does not make belief in god a part of his life. can you disbelieve other "mythical creatures"? same thing with god. yet we do not have word for non-believers in mythical creatures

and, i conceded to personal choice. again, my problem is when the belief in a version of god is used to justify public policy that goes against things like philosophy and physics.

again, people can believe in god, all they want just like they can believe in santa, just don't use santa's revealed truth to judge people because i doubt you actually talked to him

"I'll tell you who it was, it was that damn SASQUATCH!"

 

[Alen]

If the bible wasn't translated in Greek, we'd have been probably talking about Mithra instead of Jesus.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

you know, you can trace every problem of the human society to those damned greeks

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

What was it originally written in?

I mean what were the languages.....a timeline if you will:

Aramaic>Greek>Latin?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

you know, you can trace every problem of the human society to those damned greeks

NOT CHILD FUCKING!








ohh, wait....

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

 

[Dinsdale]

we said the same thing

Except for the very first statement??

Anyhow, you're both wrong.

"Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods,[1] or the rejection of theism.[2] It is also[3] defined more broadly as an absence of belief in deities, or nontheism"

So, by definition, an atheist thinks it is impossible for god to exist, which goes way further than believing god does not exist.

I'm off. Laters.

 

[Martin]

Yes. Being needy is an emotion. Adversity towards being needy is an emotion.

So everything is an emotion, because every human instinct is an emotion and every absence of that instinct is an emotion. Which renders your question rather pointless.

So you're saying that both atheism and theism are not plausible, but that theism is "more unplausible" than atheism? Wow.

I'm fast losing track of what you say that I'm saying. What's more, you're not making sense. This is much like your redefinition of emotion above. The absence of a belief is in itself a belief. So this means you have lots and lots of non-beliefs in gods like Poseidon and Zeus, each of whom you at some defining moment in your life asked yourself "do I believe in this particular god" and you said "no, I don't". And this makes up your whole portfolio of beliefs. 2000 no's, 1 yes.

I'm getting really, really tired of saying this, but religious beliefs != theism. (you know relational operators, right? )

In the past you said religious practice is independent of theism. Now you're saying religious beliefs have nothing to do with theism? Then what on earth is religious belief then if it's not a belief in god?

 

[Alen]

you know, you can trace every problem of the human society to those damned greeks

True

No, really. Without the greek translation most of us here wouldn't have been aware of that particular religion.
We still would have had a similar argument here today, just that some of us wouldn't have believed that Mithra protected us from the demonic forces of Ahriman, while the others would have been telling us that we can't prove that Mithra didn't do it and how the contemporary sources all say that that thig was done.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

man, i wish god would do my hydrogeology assignment

but, yes, a pretending messiah by any other name ...

 

[Alen]

What was it originally written in?

I mean what were the languages.....a timeline if you will:

Aramaic>Greek>Latin?

It doesn't matter if the original wasn't in Greek. The Greek language was the lingua franca of the time, just like the English is today.
If you have something written in Croatian only, the world wouldn't know much about it, but if you have the same thing in English, then it's another story.

It just happened that almost half of the population of Alexandria was Jewish and Ptolemay saw the positives from a greek translation of the torah.

 

[Martin]

" It is also[3] defined more broadly as an absence of belief in deities, or nontheism"

There you go.

What's more, it's frankly not particularly important exactly what the dictionary definition says, because I don't define my world view based on a dictionary. Various people have different definitions of atheism and I don't even know exactly where I fit into that. What I do know is that I don't have a belief in god, which is one of the definitions of atheism.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

man, i wish god would do my hydrogeology assignment

but, yes, a pretending messiah by any other name ...

Put a rock.......... in a glass.......... of water, BOOM, done, I'm God...

(Chris Walken voice)