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Hængebøffer

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Jun 4, 2009
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I would much rather hear the opinions of the problems of muslim world from someone actually living there and being muslim too.

Anyway, the rus started the talk is not only disrespectful but retarded.
Then you should talk to Hoori, but I tell you this, her opinion is not far from Zach's.

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That doesn't explain the massive amount of non-muslim women from Ukraine, Russia, Balkans are getting married here.
They marry anyone with money :lol:
Yeah, I said it, infract me now.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Just to clarify, i am not against islam. I'm atheist, but understand some people need to be able to believe in something to give them strenght or meaning to their lives as long as it doesnt harm others.

For me, catholic church 300 years ago, was just as bad if not worse.

All that islam needs is to evolve. Separate religion and state. And start by giving women equal rights.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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I listen to people like Vermeersch and Braeckman, who have done that. My course is in dutch tho, else i'd have uploaded it for you
So basically you do exactly the same thing you accuse theists of, i.e. you have your "preachers/gurus/clergy" that read the 'source' and tell you what's written in it and you take his/her word for its accuracy.

Btw, here's a fun fact for you: out of all the converts to Islam in the United Kingdom and United States most of them are women. Islam is the fastest spreading religion in these countries and among women it's the fastest growing...and I'm not just talking about women who marry Muslim men but single educated women.
 

Hængebøffer

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What's your point with all of the articles you randomly post? -it's like Rus. The truth is, noone knows how many is converting. What we know, and the only thing we know, here in Denmark is that 4000 people converted to Islam and every sixth of them is against democracy (2007 numbers)
Some here were wondering about opinion of oppressed women in Muslim countries. I want you to know that there are also women who are oppressed because they choose Islam and it's happening in so-called civilized part of the world. 'Superior Culture' is not that superior when it comes to discrimination, they just know to hide their shit better.

Another bullshit is blaming Islam for the problems in middle east. Kamal, Gaddafi, Saddam, Assad, Mubarak, Assad Jr, Sisi, King This, Prince That... so many devoted Muslims huh? Muslim countries are being governed by secularists... Some of their laws might contain Islamic teachings but that's only to fool people, make them think that they are living under a Muslim government. Otherwise they had to revolt and elect their own leader.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Some people need something to believe in, i've said that before.


Since the catholic church nearly vanished, the popular choise of religion is apparently islam. I dont see why this is good news to you.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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Some people need something to believe in, i've said that before.


Since the catholic church nearly vanished, the popular choise of religion is apparently islam. I dont see why this is good news to you.
Not sure what you mean by good news? I believe in the separation of church and state so it's not "good news" for me in the sense that I'm happy to see the "Islamization" of Europe or anything. I wish the Muslim population would integrate better and at the same time I wish those countries would make integration for them easier without asking them to abandon core beliefs. Integration in North America is 10x better than in Europe, why do you think that is? Western European nations have declining or stagnant populations, they want cheaper labour and need people willing to do remedial jobs. Problem is your welfare system encourages leeches. When people have extra time on their hands they get up to no good. Then, speaking from personal experience, European nations have a very funny way of constantly reminding you that you're foreign and not native so you get a generation of young immigrant children who want to feel a sense of belonging. Here is when the mullah comes to prey on them and try to recruit them. That's when you see people asking for "Sharia" in their neighborhoods and what have you.
 

Hængebøffer

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Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Not sure what you mean by good news? I believe in the separation of church and state so it's not "good news" for me in the sense that I'm happy to see the "Islamization" of Europe or anything. I wish the Muslim population would integrate better and at the same time I wish those countries would make integration for them easier without asking them to abandon core beliefs. Integration in North America is 10x better than in Europe, why do you think that is? Western European nations have declining or stagnant populations, they want cheaper labour and need people willing to do remedial jobs. Problem is your welfare system encourages leeches. When people have extra time on their hands they get up to no good. Then, speaking from personal experience, European nations have a very funny way of constantly reminding you that you're foreign and not native so you get a generation of young immigrant children who want to feel a sense of belonging. Here is when the mullah comes to prey on them and try to recruit them. That's when you see people asking for "Sharia" in their neighborhoods and what have you.
Amen :tup:
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Not sure what you mean by good news? I believe in the separation of church and state so it's not "good news" for me in the sense that I'm happy to see the "Islamization" of Europe or anything. I wish the Muslim population would integrate better and at the same time I wish those countries would make integration for them easier without asking them to abandon core beliefs. Integration in North America is 10x better than in Europe, why do you think that is? Western European nations have declining or stagnant populations, they want cheaper labour and need people willing to do remedial jobs. Problem is your welfare system encourages leeches. When people have extra time on their hands they get up to no good. Then, speaking from personal experience, European nations have a very funny way of constantly reminding you that you're foreign and not native so you get a generation of young immigrant children who want to feel a sense of belonging. Here is when the mullah comes to prey on them and try to recruit them. That's when you see people asking for "Sharia" in their neighborhoods and what have you.
Misjudged you :tup:
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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We get taught how we have a better culture. We dont bomb an inferior culture like the americans do.

We tolerate an inferior culture instead, as long as they accept our laws and values when they want to live here.
Well even if thats true, you are certainly not a good reflection of that.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
42,251
How do you relate to French Belgians? Are they snobbier or are the Dutch?

Sorry for the OT, I've been wondering.
We are not so different to be honest. Its just that for the first part of the past century, the mines made the french part pretty good economically. Then they closed, and the corrupt politicians of the social party decided, rather then fix the problem, to put them on unimployment fee's, and created a culture to do so.

One could say as a result they are more layed back then us. But i'm pretty certain, if their economy is back in shape (its growing), that the unemployment would be simular then ours, and that we wouldnt be much different apart from the language.


Fuck politics
 

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