Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (12 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

*Waits for Deneb to jump in and denounce the use of dictionary definitions*

 

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[ZoSo]

Exactly, disbelief.

Multiple Entries:
disbelief

Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
disbelief/dɪsbɪˈliːf/
▶noun inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real


Can't have disbelief in religion if you don't know about it. Not athiesm.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/atheist

Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
atheism
▶noun
disbelief in the existence of God or gods.




happy?

To madvillians point if you never had belief you can not disbelief what you never knew so therefore that person wouldnt be an atheist

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

To madvillians point if you never had belief you can not disbelief what you never knew so therefore that person wouldnt be an atheist

So you're saying there's no way someone could be undecided about the issue and then decide to disbelieve?

 

[Martin]

Exactly, disbelief.

Multiple Entries:
disbelief

Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
disbelief/dɪsbɪˈliːf/
▶noun inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real


Can't have disbelief in religion if you don't know about it. Not athiesm.

okay. so what do you call people who don't disbelieve but merely do not believe? never heard of the thing or never thought about it?

 

[ZoSo]

So you're saying there's no way someone could be undecided about the issue and then decide to disbelieve?

He's saying nothing like that.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Agnostic?

 

[ZoSo]

okay. so what do you call people who don't disbelieve but merely do not believe? never heard of the thing or never thought about it?

agnostic.

 

[Martin]

Agnostic?

no, that means you're undecided. so you have heard about it, have thought about it, but you can't decide which

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agnostic.

since we're having such good fun with dictionary definitions

agnostic
▶noun
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

So if he's never heard of the concept clearly he can't be agnostic.

 

[ZoSo]

no, that means you're undecided. so you have heard about it, have thought about it, but you can't decide which

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He's saying nothing like that.

What he's saying is you have to be a believer before you can disbelieve. Therefore, he's rejecting the possibility that the first position anyone can hold of a claim is being undecided.

Agnostic?

agnostic.

Wrong. If you're agnostic, then you believe that we can never find out if a claim is true OR false. Being undecided keep both of those options open.

 

[ZoSo]

What he's saying is you have to be a believer before you can disbelieve. Therefore, he's rejecting the possibility that the first position anyone can hold of a claim is being undecided.



Wrong. If you're agnostic, then you believe that we can never find out if a claim is true OR false. Being undecided keep both of those options open.

wat. he's just saying the exact thing I said. He's saying (and I'm saying) a person that never knew about religion couldn't be atheist because they don't have anything to disbelieve in.


What do you call it then? I don't even know why Martin asked that though.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So you're saying there's no way someone could be undecided about the issue and then decide to disbelieve?

no im saying you cant disbelieve what you never knew

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Haha obviously you must have some faith then if you want me to pray so Juve can win because you want it to make a difference

I don't think you or any amount of people can destroy god.

Yes, i believe in god, i believe in satan, i believe in santa claus, spider man, x-man and other fairytales

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

wat. he's just saying the exact thing I said. He's saying (and I'm saying) a person that never knew about religion couldn't be atheist because they don't have anything to disbelieve in.

no im saying you cant disbelieve what you never knew

Look, I can name numerous gods that you've never heard of in whom you lack a belief. You've never knew of them. But you still live your without a positive belief in one. You are an atheist when it comes to these gods because you lack a belief in them. You do not hold a positive belief that they exist. So you are an atheist.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Look, I can name numerous gods that you've never heard of in whom you lack a belief. You've never knew of them. But you still live your without a positive belief in one. You are an atheist when it comes to these gods because you lack a belief in them. You do not hold a positive belief that they exist. So you are an atheist.

Ye they don't know how christians turned Greek Gods to Greek Mythology

 

[ZoSo]

Look, I can name numerous gods that you've never heard of in whom you lack a belief. You've never knew of them. But you still live your without a positive belief in one. You are an atheist when it comes to these gods because you lack a belief in them. You do not hold a positive belief that they exist. So you are an atheist.

Man why do you have to be so thick-headed sometimes? It's really a simple point to understand. You are NOT athiest if you have 0 knowledge of religion, god(s), atheism etc. Don't know who Jesus is, what is buddhism, who/what is god. That is NOT atheism. Can you not understand that simple point???

Atheism is the rejection of the belief of deity/s. You cannot reject an idea you don't know about.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Man why do you have to be so thick-headed sometimes? It's really a simple point to understand. You are NOT athiest if you have 0 knowledge of religion, god(s), atheism etc. Don't know who Jesus is, what is buddhism, who/what is god. That is NOT atheism. Can you not understand that simple point???

Atheism is the rejection of the belief of deity/s. You cannot reject an idea you don't know about.

He chooses not to and play his little games thats how sheik is in this thread. It's really for his own sake. He's more scared and confused when it comes to God than he admits. RUS on the other hand is just a communist wallowing in his arrogant stupidity

 

[ZoSo]

Spot on.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Spot on.

Its sad really because it doesn't become a discussion at that point especially with RUS it just becomes a display