Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (9 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

I wonder if they have beef curtains, to stop prying eyes.

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

If these moral teachings are tough with bible what's the problem in that? It's not like you are forced to believe or anything, there are much much worse things in world to be concerned about then bible and it's morals.

I don't think god is a strong basis for morality. That's why.

 

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I don't think god is a strong basis for morality. That's why.

Then what is in your opinion?

 

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Please elaborate.

It's quite simple if one reflects on it for a short time.

 

[Raz]

I don't think god is a strong basis for morality. That's why.

Yeah, but for so much effort to try to change other people life isn't there other more urgent things to focus energy? Not a harmless thing like believing in ancient writings.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah, but for so much effort to try to change other people life isn't there other more urgent things to focus energy? Not a harmless thing like believing in ancient writings.

There will always be a million things to focus our energy on. But at this moment in time, I'm gonna focus MY energy on promoting a better basis for morality. Don't like it?

JOG ON!

 

[Raz]

Nah, do what you want mate, just seems pointless. The god believing people at least have some point in converting, while atheists...

And could you elaborate on the "better morality"? How does not believing make the same morals better?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Then what is in your opinion?

I currently believe that secular, humanist values are a stronger basis for morality.

It's quite simple if one reflects on it for a short time.

I tried, but your statement simply made no sense. So please, elaborate.

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Nah, do what you want mate, just seems pointless. The god believing people at least have some point in converting, while atheists...

And could you elaborate on the "better morality"? How does not believing make the same morals better?

Atheists have a point too: altruism.

I said better "basis" for morality, not "better morality". If someone was gonna ask me why they should be moral, I want to give a compelling reason to be so. And I feel that religion is not a compelling reason for morality.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

fuck religion case closed

 

[Raz]

I said better "basis" for morality, not "better morality". If someone was gonna ask me why they should be moral, I want to give a compelling reason to be so. And I feel that religion is not a compelling reason for morality.

And why does the basis mater if the end goal is the same? If the end thing stays the same isn't trying to prove different basis is meaningless.

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fuck religion case closed

You are a good example what soviet russia can do to a person.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

fuck religion case closed

Chill out, dude!

And why does the basis mater if the end goal is the same? If the end thing stays the same isn't trying to prove different basis is meaningless.

Good question. I'll ponder over it and get back to ya.

 

[ZoSo]

fuck religion case closed

great evidence right there.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I currently believe that secular, humanist values are a stronger basis for morality.



I tried, but your statement simply made no sense. So please, elaborate.

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Atheists have a point too: altruism.
I said better "basis" for morality, not "better morality". If someone was gonna ask me why they should be moral, I want to give a compelling reason to be so. And I feel that religion is not a compelling reason for morality.

What do you mean? Religious people are altruistic too.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What do you mean? Religious people are altruistic too.

Only because a god asked them to do it. Not because they really want to. If it's the latter, then god or religion is not the basis of their morality.

 

[Raz]

Only because a god asked them to do it. Not because they really want to. If it's the latter, then god or religion is not the basis of their morality.

Get back at me with this basis stuff

 

[Hængebøffer]

Only because a god asked them to do it. Not because they really want to. If it's the latter, then god or religion is not the basis of their morality.

 

[king Ale]

Only because a god asked them to do it. Not because they really want to. If it's the latter, then god or religion is not the basis of their morality.

Who asks you to be an altruist?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Who asks you to be an altruist?

My compassion and empathy for my fellow humans.

 

[Raz]

My compassion and empathy for my fellow humans.

And you think religious people don't have that, they only do it only because of fear of hell? That's nonsense.

By the way you still haven't answered my question.

 

[king Ale]

My compassion and empathy for my fellow humans.

Being religious/non religious alone doesn't make you concerned for the sufferings of others. This is a trait you can find in people (to different extents of course) regardless of their religious beliefs. So, putting aside those people who care about other people because of their "compassion and sympathy for their fellow humans" , we are left with people who are not altruists. Now we have religions which ask their followers to do good, they warn their followers of punishment and promise them heaven. And this could work. Religious people would "try" to do good because they are scared of punishment. As ridiculous as it may sound, don't you think the final outcome is richer in this case?

Like a student who studies because he loves studying vs a student who does his homework because he's scared of the teacher's punishment, because he is too "weak" to know it's the "right" thing to do. With a teacher, we have two students who study, without him, there's only one.

You don't need religion to be a good person, to have pity for the misfortunes of others, but religions are good for the most part because their teachings can show their followers the right path when the "compassion and empathy" bit wouldn't work well.