Diego Ribas da Cunha (20 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

And a word about "lack of creativity in the midfiled". Roma has a lot of creativity in the midfield. But ironically non-creative Juve is a club that scored more goals than the roman club so far this season. Though it's a pleasure to watch Roma's style of football, I prefer this lack of creativity and more goals.

Hmm. Funny stuff. I guess that's why Roma have a better record against the top 7 Serie A sides than we do.

If you honestly believe that our lack of creativity is not a problem against the bigger sides, then you have some football to watch, sir.

And actually, just using that statistic is extremely shortsighted. The Juventini I know who watch the matches all state that creativity is indeed a problem, and if we had more creativity we wouldn't have silly draws against the sides that sit back the entire match, such as Samp. So your argument is the argument of someone who doesn't watch the matches.

 

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[Bjerknes]

And by the way, I just looked up goals per team at La Gazzetta.

Juventus 39
Roma 38

Yeah, great argument there!

 

[RavaneVialli]

Hmm. Funny stuff. I guess that's why Roma have a better record against the top 7 Serie A sides than we do.

If you honestly believe that our lack of creativity is not a problem against the bigger sides, then you have some football to watch, sir.

And actually, just using that statistic is extremely shortsighted. The Juventini I know who watch the matches all state that creativity is indeed a problem, and if we had more creativity we wouldn't have silly draws against the sides that sit back the entire match, such as Samp. So your argument is the argument of someone who doesn't watch the matches.

And your argument, if it is an argumet, is wrong, I haven't seen only a few matches this season But I just do enjoy defensive tactics in Serie A. The lack of creativity in the centre of the midfield is a problem in CL though and Diego is a player who can solve it. Playing 4-3-1-2 in Serie A isn't a bad idea also.

 

[Bjerknes]

So Tiago, who had a very good season at Lyon, and Almiron, also brilliant season at Empoli (in addition he's a player who played in Serie A for years) were chosen

Tiago had very good SEASONS at Lyon.

What I can say positive about Secco is also the way how quickly he reacts - Boumsong became a flop, is sold (could be sold in the summer, but he didn't wanted to leave Turin), Almiron became a flop - is loaned with an option to sell him, Tiago became a flop and would have been sold if he had accepted a move to Tottenham...

1) Tiago and Almiron are not flops, they were ruined.
2) Any half idiot can react quickly to selling players to PRESUME to be flops. Hell, all you have to do is put his name out on the transfer market. That's something anybody could do.

That's not a positive aspect of Secco, just a given. It's like praising him for being able to BREATH.

 

[Bjerknes]

And your argument, if it is an argumet, is wrong, I haven't seen only a few matches this season But I just do enjoy defensive tactics in Serie A. The lack of creativity in the centre of the midfield is a problem in CL though and Diego is a player who can solve it. Playing 4-3-1-2 in Serie A isn't a bad idea also.

Playing defensive football is one thing, but playing mindless kickball is another. We seemingly try to do both.

We have given up too many points this season because we look like utter shit going forward and rely only upon a couple individuals for brilliance. Anybody that watches the matches can tell you this fact.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

actually i wouldn't say we play defensive football, just mindless. but i get your point.

 

[Edge]

Yes, and you gotta ask what's CR doing on the training field with our team, cos it just looks like we are playing with no structure, no organisation and no purpose in attack or defence.

 

[Bjerknes]

actually i wouldn't say we play defensive football, just mindless. but i get your point.

We actually do play defensive football when you think about it. We play two defensive midfielders in a straight 4-4-2, which is setting yourself up for a more defensive sort of style. It's just that we don't have any real wingers or idea going forward that leads to hopeless long balls, thus making it mindless.

I wouldn't mind if we played defensive football but actually made sense going forward. And by making sense I mean making good passes, having good movement, and not just blasting the ball all over the place from the wing or from the back.

 

[RavaneVialli]

Tiago had very good SEASONS at Lyon.

1) Tiago and Almiron are not flops, they were ruined.
2) Any half idiot can react quickly to selling players to PRESUME to be flops. Hell, all you have to do is put his name out on the transfer market. That's something anybody could do.

That's not a positive aspect of Secco, just a given. It's like praising him for being able to BREATH.

1) I'd rather say, Tiago was meant to be a defensvie midfielder who can also pass, not only destroy opponent's attacks, but his defensive abilities, very good in Ligue 1, are are shown to be not sufficient in Premier League and now also in Serie A. He needs two true defensive midfielders behind him to play well here (like against Siena as I remeber), but he's also not a typical playmaker, so it's better to buy such a player and say goodbye to Tiago. But I believe that he could be a perfect central/defensive midfielder in Spain, in not so "physical" league, because of his posture and average strenght.
2) Right, but that shows he isn't mindless, as many say that here. But they probably would be praising him while not able to breath

 

[DelpieroForLife]

People here just love to believe in false hope.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes, and you gotta ask what's CR doing on the training field with our team, cos it just looks like we are playing with no structure, no organisation and no purpose in attack or defence.

Exactly. I mean, if I were to have my mind set on the straight 4-4-2, I would make sure first off that my players knew exactly what to do in different situations on the pitch, in terms of movement. Then, knowing that most of the scoring chances come from crosses by wingers, I would instruct my side to work on something that Ranieri may or may not understand.

I would have my side work on something called CROSSING.

But hey, that's just me.

 

[Bjerknes]

Your post basically has flaws in every sentence, or phrase because of the extended run-on comma usage.

1) I'd rather say, Tiago was meant to be a defensvie midfielder who can also pass, not only destroy opponent's attacks, but his defensive abilities,

But he's not a defensive midfielder and not a destroyer. I guess that Ranieri agrees with you in this matter, which is completely wrong because Tiago was never a defensive midfielder or destroyer. He's a central midfield all-arounder.

very good in Ligue 1, are are shown to be not sufficient in Premier League and now also in Serie A.

Wrong. He was good in the Premiership and started more than half of the matches in Chelsea's run up to winning the title. Mourinho acknowledged that Tiago was a good player and showed a lot of regret after selling him to Lyon.

Mourinho thought Tiago was great and used him quite a lot. If Jose thought he "was not sufficient," why on earth did he start him all those matches and regret selling him?

He needs two true defensive midfielders behind him to play well here (like against Siena as I remeber),

His best matches were against Reggina and Empoli where he was fielded in a straight 4-4-2 next to Zanetti. He had three assists in those two matches and we won 3-0 and 4-0 respectively. Tiago was good in those matches, so calling him a flop is just believing in media hype which helped to ruin the player because of Ranieri's idiotic confessions.

But I believe that he could be a perfect central/defensive midfielder in Spain, in not so "physical" league, because of his posture and average strenght.

The Premiership is a more physical league than Serie A, so I don't really know what you're talking about.

 

[Red]

Exactly. I mean, if I were to have my mind set on the straight 4-4-2, I would make sure first off that my players knew exactly what to do in different situations on the pitch, in terms of movement. Then, knowing that most of the scoring chances come from crosses by wingers, I would instruct my side to work on something that Ranieri may or may not understand.

I would have my side work on something called CROSSING.

But hey, that's just me.

And therein is where our primary problem lies.

I don't mind 4-4-2 with two DMs. Hell, I can live without any really creative players, but to play the system we do, without wingers or fullbaks who can cross, is very foolish to say the least.

 

[RavaneVialli]

Your post basically has flaws in every sentence, or phrase because of the extended run-on comma usage.

That's because in Polish we use commas almost everywhere and it's difficult to change the habit

But he's not a defensive midfielder and not a destroyer. I guess that Ranieri agrees with you in this matter, which is completely wrong because Tiago was never a defensive midfielder or destroyer. He's a central midfield all-arounder.

That's right - he was meant to be defensive player by Ranieri and board. Ranieri in pre season matches even fielded Tiago-Almiron partnership in the centre, a huge mistake of course.

Wrong. He was good in the Premiership and started more than half of the matches in Chelsea's run up to winning the title. Mourinho acknowledged that Tiago was a good player and showed a lot of regret after selling him to Lyon.

Mourinho thought Tiago was great and used him quite a lot. If Jose thought he "was not sufficient," why on earth did he start him all those matches and regret selling him?

If Jose thought he was sufficient, why on earth did he get rid of him after one season (and not loan but sell, and for less money he bought him)?

His best matches were against Reggina and Empoli where he was fielded in a straight 4-4-2 next to Zanetti. He had three assists in those two matches and we won 3-0 and 4-0 respectively. Tiago was good in those matches, so calling him a flop is just believing in media hype which helped to ruin the player because of Ranieri's idiotic confessions.

But it was Ranieri who defended Tiago when the media started to develop pressure on te Portuguese. He gave him another chances, and Tiago played worse, despite of that legendary "Tiago's change" and "Tiago's 2008". Ranieri and board supported him, but he just didn't managed to play well.

The Premiership is a more physical league than Serie A, so I don't really know what you're talking about.

That he was usually the weakest Chelsea player on the pitch. But I accept your different point of view, that is why we don't agree on his case.

 

[javi_berti]

If Jose thought he was sufficient, why on earth did he get rid of him after one season (and not loan but sell, and for less money he bought him)?

that was part of the essien deal. lyon wanted cash and tiago in exchange.

 

[Bjerknes]

If Jose thought he was sufficient, why on earth did he get rid of him after one season (and not loan but sell, and for less money he bought him)?

Because he wanted Essien, one of the top center midfielders in the game.

You just have to realize that just because Mourinho chose Essien over Tiago doesn't make Tiago a terrible player, or not suited for the Premiership. That's just foolish.

Mourinho could have used Tiago the following season, by the way, and he acknowledged that.

But it was Ranieri who defended Tiago when the media started to develop pressure on te Portuguese.

No he fucking didn't. Ranieri said that Tiago was lacking match fitness for almost two months, something that probably was not truthful. Even that could cause a player to get a little mad. The when Ranieri said he was pressured into buying Tiago, that's when it became clear Tiago was never in Ranieri's plans, something that would strike a player down. That comment right there is probably one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard a manager say. That's partially how Ranieri ruined Tiago.

Don't argue otherwise because it won't end up well for you.

He gave him another chances, and Tiago played worse, despite of that legendary "Tiago's change" and "Tiago's 2008". Ranieri and board supported him, but he just didn't managed to play well.

Yeah, he sure supported him! (Just read my signature, dude)

That he was usually the weakest Chelsea player on the pitch. But I accept your different point of view, that is why we don't agree on his case.

No he wasn't. If he was, he wouldn't have received a majority of the starts.

Stop posting nonsense, dude.

 

[Salvo]

Yes, and you gotta ask what's CR doing on the training field with our team, cos it just looks like we are playing with no structure, no organisation and no purpose in attack or defence.

we seem to just go out there and see what happens. no game plan or characteristics

 

[Mark]

That's not true, Turk. His contract with Schalke would have lasted until 2009.



I cannot imagine Werder spending 20m € on one player. Diego was bought as a replacement of Johan Micoud who was as important to the team as Diego is now, so Werder will try to find a cheap, but clever solution once again. And only if that doen't work out, they will think of spending some more for a proven player.
The ideal solution would be if one of the youngsters like Özil, Hunt or Harnik make a huge step. They will have a real chance to prove themselves now that Borowski is leaving.

that's what I thought.

int:

 

[RavaneVialli]

Because he wanted Essien, one of the top center midfielders in the game.

You just have to realize that just because Mourinho chose Essien over Tiago doesn't make Tiago a terrible player, or not suited for the Premiership. That's just foolish.

Mourinho could have used Tiago the following season, by the way, and he acknowledged that.

I am sure Chelsea is the last team which had to sell promising player in part-exchange. If Mourinho indeed needed Tiago, Abramovich could offer Lyon for Essien an amount of money that would made them forget about Tiago.

No he fucking didn't. Ranieri said that Tiago was lacking match fitness for almost two months, something that probably was not truthful. Even that could cause a player to get a little mad. The when Ranieri said he was pressured into buying Tiago, that's when it became clear Tiago was never in Ranieri's plans, something that would strike a player down. That comment right there is probably one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard a manager say. That's partially how Ranieri ruined Tiago.

Don't argue otherwise because it won't end up well for you.



Yeah, he sure supported him! (Just read my signature, dude)

Why should we believe Ranieri lied about Tiago's form? Because he's a suicide, who wants to field worse, weakened squad, more probable to lose or not to win? I can't agree, however it's obvious he prefers Sissoko over Tiago (and that again shows he thought about Tiago in defensive categories), but he said he was observing Portuguese since his time at Benfica and for years admired the player. He was talking... with regret. And that is because he thought Tiago will be as defensively good as he was in Lyon, plus his passing abilities. But he ist't that good in Italy, and against bigger sides we need first of all two defensive midfielders, so Tiago who isn's that type of player doesn't participate in 4-4-2 first team.

Ranieri knows what he wants, he wants to play straight 4-4-2 and believed Tiago will suit there and wanted him, but Tiago seems just doesn't fit this formation in Serie A.

 

[Bjerknes]

I am sure Chelsea is the last team which had to sell promising player in part-exchange. If Mourinho indeed needed Tiago, Abramovich could offer Lyon for Essien an amount of money that would made them forget about Tiago.

Again you're being shortsighted. Why would Mourinho praise Tiago all season and then regret his departure?

Maybe Mourinho didn't need Tiago with the arrival of Essien, but the latter is the complete midfielder. If you're going to sit there and state that Tiago was not up to par in Premiership because Mourinho chose ESSIEN over Tiago, you really need to re-think what you're saying. Essien is a top five central midfielder in the world FFS.

And as someone said, Lyon wanted something else for Essien, so they gave away Tiago. Mourinho stated it was a mistake, and there is no reason why we shouldn't believe him.

You really need a history book of football in the past decade or so, because you keep providing us with shortsighted opinions that don't amount to anything. Arguing that Tiago isn't capable in the Prem just because Mourinho chose Essien is nonsensical. You do know Essien is amazing, right?

Why should we believe Ranieri lied about Tiago's form? Because he's a suicide, who wants to field worse, weakened squad, more probable to lose or not to win? I can't agree, however it's obvious he prefers Sissoko over Tiago (and that again shows he thought about Tiago in defensive categories),

Again, look at my signature where Ranieri makes it known HE NEVER WANTED TIAGO. If Ranieri never wanted Tiago, and doesn't give him a chance, wouldn't it seem plausible for the idiot manager to make up excuses to the media as to why he doesn't field the player? I mean, wake up here. What the media puts out isn't always truth and what Ranieri says isn't always truth. Just put these facts together.

No good manager would come out publicly and say what Ranieri did with Tiago.

And that is because he thought Tiago will be as defensively good as he was in Lyon, plus his passing abilities. But he ist't that good in Italy, and against bigger sides we need first of all two defensive midfielders, so Tiago who isn's that type of player doesn't participate in 4-4-2 first team.

Tiago was good in his first two Serie A starts, and was good defensively. Too many fools around here don't admit that and don't follow the Italian media comments made by different people, so they don't understand what goes on around here. And you, sir, apparently don't understand what sort of player Tiago is, which isn't surprising. Ranieri doesn't either, so go figure.

All I can say is believe whatever you want even though you don't know the slightest bit of Italian and cannot even follow a logical progression of facts that any fucking neutral fan could see, such as Fred and others here. I'm tired of fools coming out to say Tiago and Almiron are flops despite them playing well in their first matches and not being fielded until we needed them, which happened to be after "flop" labels by the media and idiotic comments by our dumb manager.