Diego Ribas da Cunha (39 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Ranieri knows what he wants, he wants to play straight 4-4-2 and believed Tiago will suit there and wanted him, but Tiago seems just doesn't fit this formation in Serie A.

NO HE DID NOT WANT HIM. READ MY FUCKING SIG.

 

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[Mark]

MY EARS FFS!!! please keep it cool gentlemen. If you don't agree with each other big deal.

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[RavaneVialli]

Being second choice after Sissoko doesn't mean Ranieri didn't want him. Isn't it similar to Essien-Tiago case? And of course I appreciate Essien's abilities, he's a complete player. But you shouldn't a priori judge somebody having different opinion as a fool or a person who doesn't know football at all. Every one opinion is subjetive and I was against Tiago's transfer before it was made, not because of media in Italy after few weeks then. Because of his style of playing not suiting to this league in this formation. And I agree Ranieri doesn't know how to use him. Well I am sure he thought he knew before the transfer, but he was wrong.

 

[Kosta]

Isn't this Diego thread ?

Sure he won't come to Juve , when you're discussing Tiago in his thread.

 

[Fred]

If Jose thought he was sufficient, why on earth did he get rid of him after one season (and not loan but sell, and for less money he bought him)?

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Your missing something mate..it was Tiago who wanted to leave Chelsea..It wasnt Mourinho who wanted to sell him..When Mourinho bought Essien, he knew he wasnt going to be a regular starter anymore.

 

[Maher]

dont deam in seeing him in juve , he is too expensive

 

[Fred]

dont deam in seeing him in juve , he is too expensive

yes yes we know "Ranieri not sign creative players, he only sign defensive players"

 

[Maher]

yes yes we know "Ranieri not sign creative players, he only sign defensive players"

this is the reality

 

[Arvin]

this is the reality

and face it..

 

[Fred]

Interesting.

Tahir is practicing his new powers on me..i'll let this one pass because your a rookie

 

[RavaneVialli]

Your missing something mate..it was Tiago who wanted to leave Chelsea..It wasnt Mourinho who wanted to sell him..When Mourinho bought Essien, he knew he wasnt going to be a regular starter anymore.

That's the fact I didn't remeber, thanks.
So I can agree with you here, Andy, but still I can't admit Ranieri ruined him. Ranieri did't say such things to media about Almiron and he seems to be ruined too. I say it's because of tactics - Almiron's defensive abilities are much lower than Tiago's and in my opinion that is why he participated in play even more rarely than him. In opposition to Zanetti and Nocerino.

 

[Alen]

Interesting.

Tahir is practicing his new powers on me..i'll let this one pass because your a rookie

I just saw that
You're lucky he didn't ban you.

 

[Marc]

But he's not a defensive midfielder and not a destroyer. I guess that Ranieri agrees with you in this matter, which is completely wrong because Tiago was never a defensive midfielder or destroyer. He's a central midfield all-arounder.

Thus our board made a mistake in choosing a player for our formation as Tiago was never going to be a success as a DM.

Wrong. He was good in the Premiership and started more than half of the matches in Chelsea's run up to winning the title. Mourinho acknowledged that Tiago was a good player and showed a lot of regret after selling him to Lyon.

Mourinho thought Tiago was great and used him quite a lot. If Jose thought he "was not sufficient," why on earth did he start him all those matches and regret selling him?

Wrong. Starting half of the matches doesn´t mean he was good. Grygera started half of the matches for Juve and he was bad. How many matches have you watched Tiago playing for Chelsea? He was average/not sufficient and sold for a better player. (Essien)

His best matches were against Reggina and Empoli where he was fielded in a straight 4-4-2 next to Zanetti. He had three assists in those two matches and we won 3-0 and 4-0 respectively. Tiago was good in those matches, so calling him a flop is just believing in media hype which helped to ruin the player because of Ranieri's idiotic confessions.

Wow. Reggina and Empoli. I am astonished. He must be really great then. Just to let you know, other than his assists he didn´t provide anything to Juventus midfield. Not to mention that he was completely run over on more than one occasions.

I wouldn't say that - last summer there was a specific situation at club, we needed not expensive and risky signings due to insufficient number of players and lack of big money for transfers (imagine we have spent 27 million euro for a player, who became a flop in Serie A... It would be a financial disaster now), but rather cheap players, however of proven quality. So Tiago, who had a very good season at Lyon, and Almiron, also brilliant season at Empoli (in addition he's a player who played in Serie A for years) were chosen - and they definetly are players of proven quality, so it was a natural choice, of course not a transfer impact, but also movements on the market of the smallest risk. Not to mention Andrade and Iaquinta, similiar-type buyings. But who could presume Tiago and Almiron would become such mistakes? Secco did what he should, but these players didn't show the quality they presented in recent clubs. What I can say positive about Secco is also the way how quickly he reacts - Boumsong became a flop, is sold (could be sold in the summer, but he didn't wanted to leave Turin), Almiron became a flop - is loaned with an option to sell him, Tiago became a flop and would have been sold if he had accepted a move to Tottenham...

But he's of coure not an ideal sport director, for example the negotiations with Lyon in Boumsong case were scandalous in my opinion and there are undoubtly many other questions, such as Sissoko's price, which shouldn't be highet than 10 million euro.

And a word about "lack of creativity in the midfiled". Roma has a lot of creativity in the midfield. But ironically non-creative Juve is a club that scored more goals than the roman club so far this season. Though it's a pleasure to watch Roma's style of football, I prefer this lack of creativity and more goals.

Good post. Definitely worth reading.

1) Tiago and Almiron are not flops, they were ruined.

Your defending of Tiago and Almiron is amazing as Molinaro, who has been heavily criticised by you offered to Juventus twice as much this season opposed to Tiago and Almiron who were awful. You are obvioulsy being biased here. BTW The 1st quote from your signature is invented.

 

[Marc]

NO HE DID NOT WANT HIM. READ MY FUCKING SIG.

Yes, he did want him. You signature is false as Ranieri never said that.

 

[Marc]

Yeah, he sure supported him! (Just read my signature, dude)

Actually, Ranieri supports Tiago. That is why he will hand him a start tomorrow. Even though he has the option of starting Sissoko.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Yes, he did want him. You signature is false as Ranieri never said that.

He didn`t say what? “With Tiago we were thrown into buying him after we were told we had to spend €32m on Sissoko.” ?

 

[Lucky Luke]

He didn`t say what? “With Tiago we were thrown into buying him after we were told we had to spend €32m on Sissoko.” ?

i have read that too.

 

[Dostoevsky]

He did say that... http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=509772

 

[Zé Tahir]

Interesting.

Tahir is practicing his new powers on me..i'll let this one pass because your a rookie

I just saw that
You're lucky he didn't ban you.

You were instigating; I had to warn you for it. I thought we decided a little while ago not to make fun of Maher

 

[Bjerknes]

Wrong. Starting half of the matches doesn´t mean he was good. Grygera started half of the matches for Juve and he was bad. How many matches have you watched Tiago playing for Chelsea? He was average/not sufficient and sold for a better player. (Essien)

Tiago played well in the Premiership. Ask any Chelsea supporter. And I watched a ton of matches during Mourinho's first two seasons, probably a heck of a lot more than you. Plus I paid attention to him while he was at Benfica.

Wow. Reggina and Empoli. I am astonished. He must be really great then. Just to let you know, other than his assists he didn´t provide anything to Juventus midfield. Not to mention that he was completely run over on more than one occasions.

Look, people here state that Tiago has been terrible in every match he's played for us. He wasn't terrible in those matches and made some fine passes. People don't want to admit it though.

Good post. Definitely worth reading.

No, it's not worth reading. It's drivel, especially the part about creativity.

Your defending of Tiago and Almiron is amazing as Molinaro, who has been heavily criticised by you offered to Juventus twice as much this season opposed to Tiago and Almiron who were awful. You are obvioulsy being biased here. BTW The 1st quote from your signature is invented.

No it's not invented. It was said by Ranieri and printed in La Gazzetta.

Molinaro is a shitty hack of a player, always was, always will be. You continue to say that he's better than Balzaretti, which is a total joke of gigantic proportions especially after watching several Serie B matches and the shit we have had to put up with this season on the left-flank.

The difference is that Molinaro has been the weakest link in the team yet always starts. He's also never had form that warranted a move to Juventus. Almiron and Tiago on the other hand actually have skill, demonstrated that in other teams, and haven't been given much of a chance here. Molinaro has been given a chance here and it's quite obvious that he blows. Get over it. He's a fucking clown and you're a clown for defending him.