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......and move it to the players section. Diego is a done deal after all.
......and move it to the players section. Diego is a done deal after all.
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I think that only media linked us with Mavuba (even if DD wanted him, he's not a world class unlike Sissoko). DD after his departure, asked about our mercato, criticised Secco's purchases and said directly that he wanted those three, who I mentioned before. I'm not sure about Givet, maybe him too, but still he's not a defender that could compete with Chiellini-Legrttaglie partnership. Gabriel Milito is a different case, Secco interruped negotiations after Barcelona made their offer.
To be honest, I wouldn't want to see either Mavuba, Givet or Milito at Juve today. Just like I'm glad we got rid of DD's favourite Boumsong.
To be honest, I wouldn't want to see either Mavuba, Givet or Milito at Juve today. Just like I'm glad we got rid of DD's favourite Boumsong.
If you ask me, the diego-rumour is not true. I can't really give facts for it but to, everything points against a transfer of him to juve.
First of all, it seems nedved is being offered a new contract for another season.
Then there is ranieri, who i think will be confirmed for another season at least and he clearly said he didn't want a trequartista and he didn't want diego. I don't really believe the newspapers saying that ranieri "changed his mind" because that would lead me to another point; why should we change our system. now we discussed this for a long time on this board, and i can hear already people typing "world class players like diego deserve being bought regardless of system and formation", and you are right, but still...
Then there was the fabregas-rumor. Now i know that this deal seems impossible, and i wouldn't ever believe that thing if it came from a newspaper. but the fact that it comes from "acb" over at vecchiasignora (i'm following that board rather closely), who already 'predicted' the poulsen-deal, gives me that little spark of hope...
That's why i'm a bit in a dilemma when it comes to diego. It's sure that he is a player of world class, and all. but if i had to choose between diego and fabregas, there would be no doubt whatsoever whom i would chose. The spaniard is just another level higher imo.
I'm following the bundesliga, and what a lot of people seem to neglect is that diego hasn't delivered that much lately. The only things that brought him in the headlines were his red-cards for strangling and such. In fact, I was reading comments on german news sites about the diego-to-juve-rumor and you'd be surprised how many werder-fans say things like "for 25mio, sell immediately".
That said, my personal (!) opinion would be to splash these amounts on a LMA. we're losing a big name with nedved, and i'd much rather have a silva or zhirkov for those 20-30m then creating a new position for someone. now this is my personal opinion... because i don't like to rely on one only player. If we adopt to the playmaker-4-4-2, then we all have to pray that diego doesn't get injured or suspended, because otherwise, we have to change our system again...
I have this feeling that our summer-transfer-window will be the following;
Trez to ManCity for 20-25m
Iaquinta to Tottenham - Quagliarella to replace him
Fabregas to Juve for 30-35m
Silva to Juve for another 20-25m
we stick with the traditional 4-4-2, kick ass and win serie a, CL, Coppa, get Del Piero the FIFA world player award and Ranieri will be the first person to be a saint while alive.
First of all, it seems nedved is being offered a new contract for another season.
Then there is ranieri, who i think will be confirmed for another season at least and he clearly said he didn't want a trequartista and he didn't want diego. I don't really believe the newspapers saying that ranieri "changed his mind" because that would lead me to another point; why should we change our system. now we discussed this for a long time on this board, and i can hear already people typing "world class players like diego deserve being bought regardless of system and formation", and you are right, but still...
Then there was the fabregas-rumor. Now i know that this deal seems impossible, and i wouldn't ever believe that thing if it came from a newspaper. but the fact that it comes from "acb" over at vecchiasignora (i'm following that board rather closely), who already 'predicted' the poulsen-deal, gives me that little spark of hope...
That's why i'm a bit in a dilemma when it comes to diego. It's sure that he is a player of world class, and all. but if i had to choose between diego and fabregas, there would be no doubt whatsoever whom i would chose. The spaniard is just another level higher imo.
I'm following the bundesliga, and what a lot of people seem to neglect is that diego hasn't delivered that much lately. The only things that brought him in the headlines were his red-cards for strangling and such. In fact, I was reading comments on german news sites about the diego-to-juve-rumor and you'd be surprised how many werder-fans say things like "for 25mio, sell immediately".
That said, my personal (!) opinion would be to splash these amounts on a LMA. we're losing a big name with nedved, and i'd much rather have a silva or zhirkov for those 20-30m then creating a new position for someone. now this is my personal opinion... because i don't like to rely on one only player. If we adopt to the playmaker-4-4-2, then we all have to pray that diego doesn't get injured or suspended, because otherwise, we have to change our system again...
I have this feeling that our summer-transfer-window will be the following;
Trez to ManCity for 20-25m
Iaquinta to Tottenham - Quagliarella to replace him
Fabregas to Juve for 30-35m
Silva to Juve for another 20-25m
we stick with the traditional 4-4-2, kick ass and win serie a, CL, Coppa, get Del Piero the FIFA world player award and Ranieri will be the first person to be a saint while alive.
Haha, dude ofcourse we would prefer Fabregas over Diego. Not only due to quality, but because he is a CM, can play next to Momo, and then we can get a quality LM. It would improve the quality of our team ALOT.
Instead of get Diego, and play some DMs around him, and totally rely on him to deliver all the time. I would love to have him, and take that risk of relying on him. But when there is a worldclass CM in Fabregas, who not only does the Pirlo role, but is a great and dynamic box to box midfielder, well, I would think that would a safer bet consistency wise, without any doubt, because everything doesnt revolve around the sole CMs form, even if its vital. While the tactic with a Diego would mean he would be in the mercy of his form totally, because everything has to go through him.
I think Fabregas will leave Arsenal, wont think for a second its for us. But if not him, and we are adamant about no AM policy, then I would love it if we got Hamsik instead to do that Cesc CM role. Though he isnt close to that high level at all, but with Hamsik next to Momo, and a quality LW, yeah would be sweet.
Instead of get Diego, and play some DMs around him, and totally rely on him to deliver all the time. I would love to have him, and take that risk of relying on him. But when there is a worldclass CM in Fabregas, who not only does the Pirlo role, but is a great and dynamic box to box midfielder, well, I would think that would a safer bet consistency wise, without any doubt, because everything doesnt revolve around the sole CMs form, even if its vital. While the tactic with a Diego would mean he would be in the mercy of his form totally, because everything has to go through him.
I think Fabregas will leave Arsenal, wont think for a second its for us. But if not him, and we are adamant about no AM policy, then I would love it if we got Hamsik instead to do that Cesc CM role. Though he isnt close to that high level at all, but with Hamsik next to Momo, and a quality LW, yeah would be sweet.
That I defenitely agree with. He is very inconsistent. His main consistency is finding space and popping up there to score, like a poacher. Otherwise, his overall game is flawed, because he dissapears too much from games. But he defenitely has the qualities to be a real top shelf player, he just needs to find the consistency for it.
There is no way on god's green earth that we're ever going to be seeing Fabregas in black and white. No way Arsene lets go of him in the near future (as he's the Gooners new captain and is locked into a long term contract), not to mention the fact that he would clearly have a preference for a return to Spain if he was to ever move.
If we were to buy Hamsik (Which is basically impossible...For what, 40M Euro? more? Napoli value him at a ridiculously high number, are refusing to sell him, and there is no shortage of suitors), than where would Claudio play? Marchisio is getting better all the time and he's a hometown boy, a product of the system - he deserves a legitimate shot, and all the quotes that I've heard from Cobolli and Ranieri etc., indicate that he'll get that opportunity.
I would obviously enjoy Diego, but we would have to change formation. Diego could possibly work, but offers a huge investment risk, would take time to assimilate and is too complicated a move to make right now. If we were going to grab this player, change the system, shake up multiple positions and disrupt the mindset of many players, it would happen during the summer - not in the middle of a currently promising and successful season. I don't think Diego is the player Juve needs...
We have got to fix the LM spot now. I love Pavel, he's one of my all time favorite players, but for the sake of the team, this should probably be his last year. It hurts me to say that, but the board needs to be proactive - plugging such a vital position with a 37 year old, regardless of the intangibles he brings to the table, is not a wise decision for a team with title ambitions. We can really only afford to keep him if the board upgrades at LM significantly, and then tells Pavel that he'll rarely play. I heard a rumor this morning about extending him for another year, and I nearly vomited all over my couch. If he were to get hurt right now, we'd have DC to back up that spot. Seba is NOT a LM, he doesn't play that position effectively in the 4-4-2. We need a LM.
To be honest, I think the Zhirkov move would be a strong play for the second half. He's tremendously skilled and at age 25, offers an excellent balance of youth and experience. I wonder if Ranieri will ever decide whether DC is going to play predominantly at LM or at LB - obviously that's a crucial decision when planning for the future. Either way, both Zhirkov and DC can offer cover for multiple positions down the left, which is useful in the event that our stalwart LB gets hurt. HA.
I won't even make any sarcastic comments about said LB at this time, as he has been playing much better than last year. Nice to see some progress from Moli... he's not where he ultimately needs to be, and I think eventually it will be DC at LB, but one has gotta give Molinaro props for his work ethic, loyalty and desire. Obviously these are the characteristics that have endeared him to Ranieri (that, and their frequent late night rendezvous').
Dammit. Ok, I'll only make 1 sarcastic comment about Molinaro. It's going to take me awhile to get use to Moli not being Juventus' worst starting 11 player, a distinction that temporarily belongs to the black hole that is Marco Marchionni.
Forza Molinaro, Forza Juventus!!
If we were to buy Hamsik (Which is basically impossible...For what, 40M Euro? more? Napoli value him at a ridiculously high number, are refusing to sell him, and there is no shortage of suitors), than where would Claudio play? Marchisio is getting better all the time and he's a hometown boy, a product of the system - he deserves a legitimate shot, and all the quotes that I've heard from Cobolli and Ranieri etc., indicate that he'll get that opportunity.
I would obviously enjoy Diego, but we would have to change formation. Diego could possibly work, but offers a huge investment risk, would take time to assimilate and is too complicated a move to make right now. If we were going to grab this player, change the system, shake up multiple positions and disrupt the mindset of many players, it would happen during the summer - not in the middle of a currently promising and successful season. I don't think Diego is the player Juve needs...
We have got to fix the LM spot now. I love Pavel, he's one of my all time favorite players, but for the sake of the team, this should probably be his last year. It hurts me to say that, but the board needs to be proactive - plugging such a vital position with a 37 year old, regardless of the intangibles he brings to the table, is not a wise decision for a team with title ambitions. We can really only afford to keep him if the board upgrades at LM significantly, and then tells Pavel that he'll rarely play. I heard a rumor this morning about extending him for another year, and I nearly vomited all over my couch. If he were to get hurt right now, we'd have DC to back up that spot. Seba is NOT a LM, he doesn't play that position effectively in the 4-4-2. We need a LM.
To be honest, I think the Zhirkov move would be a strong play for the second half. He's tremendously skilled and at age 25, offers an excellent balance of youth and experience. I wonder if Ranieri will ever decide whether DC is going to play predominantly at LM or at LB - obviously that's a crucial decision when planning for the future. Either way, both Zhirkov and DC can offer cover for multiple positions down the left, which is useful in the event that our stalwart LB gets hurt. HA.
I won't even make any sarcastic comments about said LB at this time, as he has been playing much better than last year. Nice to see some progress from Moli... he's not where he ultimately needs to be, and I think eventually it will be DC at LB, but one has gotta give Molinaro props for his work ethic, loyalty and desire. Obviously these are the characteristics that have endeared him to Ranieri (that, and their frequent late night rendezvous').
Dammit. Ok, I'll only make 1 sarcastic comment about Molinaro. It's going to take me awhile to get use to Moli not being Juventus' worst starting 11 player, a distinction that temporarily belongs to the black hole that is Marco Marchionni.
Forza Molinaro, Forza Juventus!!
good post rollie. I agree with most you said. Of course, the fabregas rumor is what we're dreaming of, and i'm not going to bet on it. But there are certain factors one should not neglect. The financial crisis hitting both the premier league and the british £, the fact that arsenal could miss CL-qualification, the fact that wenger might not be their coach forever, fabregas' desire to leave (even if his destination would be spain probably).
That said, i don't think he'll come to us in the end. but it's not so-out-of-this-world as many people believe it is. I think, if we're really getting into a position where we can pick a player we want; maybe not of the class of fabregas, but maybe for a silva or zirkhov. We're getting a hyper-modern stadium, we're making ourselves a name in CL and we're surprising everyone in the title race for serie-a. Those are important factors too, because you don't get the silvas and diegos of this world if you're battling for a CL-spot.
Plus, the fact that we're playing CL, and the fact that we're doing fine overall makes our budget grow year after year. I mean we spent 20m for amauri (even if there are player-swaps included), and i'm sure we can drop such a sum again for a player... Plus, we should start making money out of those numerous players we're having around (palladino, ...)
I think someone like silva or zirkhov should be our main target. Not only for the skill and potential point of view, but also for the advertising of our juve in the world. I wouldn't ever want juve to become the next milan, but it's important to hit the big names in order to stay in business. Selling jerseys, bringing people into the stadiums, rebuilding reputation worldwide, ...
That said, i don't think he'll come to us in the end. but it's not so-out-of-this-world as many people believe it is. I think, if we're really getting into a position where we can pick a player we want; maybe not of the class of fabregas, but maybe for a silva or zirkhov. We're getting a hyper-modern stadium, we're making ourselves a name in CL and we're surprising everyone in the title race for serie-a. Those are important factors too, because you don't get the silvas and diegos of this world if you're battling for a CL-spot.
Plus, the fact that we're playing CL, and the fact that we're doing fine overall makes our budget grow year after year. I mean we spent 20m for amauri (even if there are player-swaps included), and i'm sure we can drop such a sum again for a player... Plus, we should start making money out of those numerous players we're having around (palladino, ...)
I think someone like silva or zirkhov should be our main target. Not only for the skill and potential point of view, but also for the advertising of our juve in the world. I wouldn't ever want juve to become the next milan, but it's important to hit the big names in order to stay in business. Selling jerseys, bringing people into the stadiums, rebuilding reputation worldwide, ...
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