For me personally it's too much attacking. The opposition would beat the living hell out of us in counter attacks.
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no they're not. they go fetch some balls but they are in no way enough to support 1 single DM. especially in italy, fast midfielders would outrun us every single time.
if we'd get diego, and if we want to keep our wings (which are essential imo) then there's no other way then playing a 4-5-1 with trez or amauri single striker and diego or del piero behind them. still, i don't think this 'risky change' is worth those 30m €.
as sad as it sounds people, we should admit that diego is not a rationally good transfer at this moment. I'd want him too, because he could be the one bringing us that 'beautiful-play-image', but from a more objective point of view, diego is just too expensive, and too risky (remember he hasn't shown much on an international level, so far he shined 'only' in germany, and remember also that he had/has some serious injury problems)
if we'd get diego, and if we want to keep our wings (which are essential imo) then there's no other way then playing a 4-5-1 with trez or amauri single striker and diego or del piero behind them. still, i don't think this 'risky change' is worth those 30m €.
as sad as it sounds people, we should admit that diego is not a rationally good transfer at this moment. I'd want him too, because he could be the one bringing us that 'beautiful-play-image', but from a more objective point of view, diego is just too expensive, and too risky (remember he hasn't shown much on an international level, so far he shined 'only' in germany, and remember also that he had/has some serious injury problems)
I think if we have diego we can teach our wings to recover better, I don't think its the end of the world for us. Just as camo can play on the right left or center and nedved too, the coach can teach wingers to defend/recover. Why miss out on a worldclass player because we are afraid of something we don't even know will happen. Attacking football is great, and it can be successful, besides last summer everyone was complaining about having 2 DMs and compairing to the boring capello era and the ever dull 442. So what makes the difference if we play a 4312 when all u need to do is teach our mids something so simple as recovering quickly and defend as a team. Look at DP that has no problems coming back to help in defense, why would we accept anything less from mids?
you do take your "teaching" on the light shoulder ...
how are we able to teach our pretty old wingers to get better in the defense, when we can't even teach a young player (molinaro) how to cross ?
you're making it sound as if diego was cheap, when you say we should not miss out on this opportunity. for the money werder will want we would surely get someone with very good quality who will fit into our plans, tactics and formations.
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just read an article on channel 4 and speaking of rosina he could really be a bargain, but only if he would accept that he is one very little starlet compared to our other players ... in torino he is the star, but our champions should show him who is the boss and if he would get a team player he would be very good, BUT as mentioned with schweinsteiger: i dont like buying off-form players to hope that they regain form . . .
how are we able to teach our pretty old wingers to get better in the defense, when we can't even teach a young player (molinaro) how to cross ?
you're making it sound as if diego was cheap, when you say we should not miss out on this opportunity. for the money werder will want we would surely get someone with very good quality who will fit into our plans, tactics and formations.
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just read an article on channel 4 and speaking of rosina he could really be a bargain, but only if he would accept that he is one very little starlet compared to our other players ... in torino he is the star, but our champions should show him who is the boss and if he would get a team player he would be very good, BUT as mentioned with schweinsteiger: i dont like buying off-form players to hope that they regain form . . .
I'm not saying he is cheap by anymeans, but we need a player like that..DP and nedved won't last much longer. We have gio, because he can't slide tackle doesn't mean he can't play defense. Camo and nedved aren't the best tacklers are they? All of our wingers should be capable of tracking back, its not rocket science.
Are u saying our wingers whom have loads of experience and won awards/trophies can't learn to track back in defense? They aren't grade school students. Besides molinaro has gotten better at crossing and he does work his ass off for the team. Its a team mentality that must be preached, we are made out to be a gritty and hardworking team so why would we allow our wingers to be lazy? Everyone at juve works for the team, no individuals, besides how can u compare the teaching ability of molinaro to neddy/camo/diego? Either u got it or u don't? I think it would be ludicrous to think we couldn't teach our players one simple thing as tracking back when we have mids that can play any position in the midfield.
I don't want rosina, we need a better player. For us he wouldn't be more than backup. Schweiny I can agree with u on. Are u saying diego is off form? (I may have read ur response wrong)
Look, there isn't anything wrong with being able to change formations, players especially worldclass players should be able to adapt to what the team needs at that time.
Are u saying our wingers whom have loads of experience and won awards/trophies can't learn to track back in defense? They aren't grade school students. Besides molinaro has gotten better at crossing and he does work his ass off for the team. Its a team mentality that must be preached, we are made out to be a gritty and hardworking team so why would we allow our wingers to be lazy? Everyone at juve works for the team, no individuals, besides how can u compare the teaching ability of molinaro to neddy/camo/diego? Either u got it or u don't? I think it would be ludicrous to think we couldn't teach our players one simple thing as tracking back when we have mids that can play any position in the midfield.
I don't want rosina, we need a better player. For us he wouldn't be more than backup. Schweiny I can agree with u on. Are u saying diego is off form? (I may have read ur response wrong)
Look, there isn't anything wrong with being able to change formations, players especially worldclass players should be able to adapt to what the team needs at that time.
so you want to 'teach' camo how to defend? a 31-yr-old world champion... you've got to be kidding me. the position camo plays in at the moment is a crucial point of our whole system. Same goes for nedved. And it's not about 'teaching' someone how to defend, believe me, those guys out there know better than ranieri how to defend (if, by 'defending' you mean 'tackling').
It's about their positioning, not about their abilities. You can't just re-educate a player. Camo has done what he's doing for something like 20yrs now. And now, you want to go over to him and say something like: 'listen buddy, you were great, but we have this 30million-toy now, could you please pass the ball to him once you reach the middle line?'
That just doesn't work. I said it already; you can't force players into a system. for some, it works, for others, it doesn't. And why on earth should we revolutionize our whole system (which is working, btw) because of one new player? won't work, and won't happen!
It's about their positioning, not about their abilities. You can't just re-educate a player. Camo has done what he's doing for something like 20yrs now. And now, you want to go over to him and say something like: 'listen buddy, you were great, but we have this 30million-toy now, could you please pass the ball to him once you reach the middle line?'
That just doesn't work. I said it already; you can't force players into a system. for some, it works, for others, it doesn't. And why on earth should we revolutionize our whole system (which is working, btw) because of one new player? won't work, and won't happen!
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i just wanted to say that it is easier to learn something new and change their game for someone who is young, than for old experienced players who always played their game (and this with success)
no, i did not mean to say diego is off form. in fact i don't follow him right now, so i can not judge that.
no, i did not mean to say diego is off form. in fact i don't follow him right now, so i can not judge that.
Wouldnt it be easier for someone who "Is" experienced to change the a minor detail about their overall role? I mean think about it, they pretty much do the same thing, they both still track back and help pressure the opposition when needed. What I am saying is the same thing as Ranieri putting Nedved or Camo in the middle and lets be honest as of lately even though old in age they did a pretty good job, even though its not their natural position. Anways, to me a 442 is close to a 4312 depending on how the AM plays. A good AM can track back, change roles quickly and then change again. I guess a good example to support your side would be DP playing under Donadoni on the left which he obviously hated.
All I am saying is Camo/Neddys role wouldnt hardly change other than having a bit more ground to cover. If Sissoko is doing his job, the wings wont have much of anything different to do, at least nothing significantly different than what they already do. The biggest difference is with what we use now they have the added security of the extra man in the middle, BUT my biggest problem is we become too predictable playing with only our wingers, Sissoko/Marchiso/Poulsen to date have not created much for us in terms of the attack, so throwing an AM (Diego) will bolster our attack instead of launching the long balls from defense by-passing the mids. We are finally finding our form, but Diego would be a great weapon against other teams because we become so much less predictable.
Trust me I see what your saying in a sense of training older players, its like they say, you cant teach an old dog new tricks, right? The only thing that changes in their game is covering more ground. This has to be Nedveds last year at this consistent level of playing so much, either we use Gio there or find a great LM next summer. I say this winter lets get Diego. Right now Zanetti's health is just too unpredictable and we need that vision/creativity. How many times during the games are we all complaining about how we arent creative and how much we just kick the bloody ball up and hope Amauri/DP pull a miracle? It is so easy to defend that, rather its so much more difficult when we have a player that can take on players and open up play so our "other creative players" can work around that...The one weakness that i see in this is we will need to add at least one VERY solid defender to our ranks that is a starter, not another backup.
Bottom line, whomever we have on the wings should be able to cover more ground when called upon. Its not that hard, just more running.
All I am saying is Camo/Neddys role wouldnt hardly change other than having a bit more ground to cover. If Sissoko is doing his job, the wings wont have much of anything different to do, at least nothing significantly different than what they already do. The biggest difference is with what we use now they have the added security of the extra man in the middle, BUT my biggest problem is we become too predictable playing with only our wingers, Sissoko/Marchiso/Poulsen to date have not created much for us in terms of the attack, so throwing an AM (Diego) will bolster our attack instead of launching the long balls from defense by-passing the mids. We are finally finding our form, but Diego would be a great weapon against other teams because we become so much less predictable.
Trust me I see what your saying in a sense of training older players, its like they say, you cant teach an old dog new tricks, right? The only thing that changes in their game is covering more ground. This has to be Nedveds last year at this consistent level of playing so much, either we use Gio there or find a great LM next summer. I say this winter lets get Diego. Right now Zanetti's health is just too unpredictable and we need that vision/creativity. How many times during the games are we all complaining about how we arent creative and how much we just kick the bloody ball up and hope Amauri/DP pull a miracle? It is so easy to defend that, rather its so much more difficult when we have a player that can take on players and open up play so our "other creative players" can work around that...The one weakness that i see in this is we will need to add at least one VERY solid defender to our ranks that is a starter, not another backup.
Bottom line, whomever we have on the wings should be able to cover more ground when called upon. Its not that hard, just more running.
but when you say we play with diego as AM that would be even more predictable.
we saw lately how easy it is to shut down a single trequartista, when diego got "owned" by some greek team. i do not deny that it would be possible that camo and perhaps even nedved would be able to play as ordinary midfielder (like the left and right midfielder in a diamond 4-4-2) but then you would have exactly the case that all the play would have to come through the middle, because the support on the wings is weaker than now (because nedved and camo are not allowed to go forward anytime with more defensive responsibility). amauri is techniqual good, but he has a pretty good header and is someone you would like to play high to, because there he can use his body strength and height to gain advantage . . .
my point is, even when we play your formation we would not be less predictable ...
we saw lately how easy it is to shut down a single trequartista, when diego got "owned" by some greek team. i do not deny that it would be possible that camo and perhaps even nedved would be able to play as ordinary midfielder (like the left and right midfielder in a diamond 4-4-2) but then you would have exactly the case that all the play would have to come through the middle, because the support on the wings is weaker than now (because nedved and camo are not allowed to go forward anytime with more defensive responsibility). amauri is techniqual good, but he has a pretty good header and is someone you would like to play high to, because there he can use his body strength and height to gain advantage . . .
my point is, even when we play your formation we would not be less predictable ...
It is easy to shut down a trequartista if thats all you are using. No way would Nedved/(replacement) or Camo be limited back, thats what they are great at doing. That would be like telling DP not to take free kicks. I am confused, with Diego/Gio/Camo/DP/Amauri attacking we would be predictable?
I didnt mean to make it sound that we would solely be using Diego has the one and only playmaker. Our LM/RM can still push forward and Diego can be the one to supply them the balls, or those two can still take on defenders and Diego just hang back a few yards for cover...he does that at bremen sometimes doesnt he? Yes he would be the primary playmaker, but moments of brilliance from Camo would not be frowned upon. Sissoko is ideal for this because he is a tank and doesnt stop running...same for Marchiso or Poulsen (which we should sell if we get diego so marchisio can shine)
I didnt mean to make it sound that we would solely be using Diego has the one and only playmaker. Our LM/RM can still push forward and Diego can be the one to supply them the balls, or those two can still take on defenders and Diego just hang back a few yards for cover...he does that at bremen sometimes doesnt he? Yes he would be the primary playmaker, but moments of brilliance from Camo would not be frowned upon. Sissoko is ideal for this because he is a tank and doesnt stop running...same for Marchiso or Poulsen (which we should sell if we get diego so marchisio can shine)
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