Delle Alpi to be restructured (18 Viewers)

Which option for the delle Alpi: Restore or Rebuild?

  • Restore = Pisanu/UEFA compliance, 50k seats, same structure, same stands-to-pitch gap

  • Rebuild = 40k seats for brand-spanking new park socking us into debt. (Costs 10x+ more than Restore)

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gsol

gsol

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Oct 14, 2007
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Tifoso we are competitive in Italy. Next year we’ll be taking on Real, Barca, Man U, etc. I think the team needs to invest 30-40 million to be competative in both Italy and Europe.

Gazzo, the hotel does not need to be profitable at all. It needs to bring in fans, the profit would be realized in the stadium with increased attendance.

Sateeh if you go to ju29ro.com you can see how much Juve made selling players and how much they spent on players. They have virtually invested no capital. They have been extremely cheap in the transfer market.

Mike-e-y the land around the stadium is baron. Frankly if they were to implement a hostel type setting (which is popular in Europe) they could likely maximize space.

I agree the shopping center could be profitable all year long but people are skipping a crucial point. Turin is not a big town and that infrastructure already exists in the town center. Furthermore I do not see people going all the way out to the Delle Alpi for a whopper. The stadium is geographically detached from the rest of the city.
 

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Omair

Omair

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Sep 27, 2006
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:( .. i wish i understand italian ..

and i honestly don't know .. basically the idea of shops and stuff sounds good .. but as Gsol said that the stadium is detached from the city .. question is .. where the urban growth heading .. if it's heading towards the stadium then the problem will be temporary if it's all the way around, we're in for it :confused:
 
gsol

gsol

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Oct 14, 2007
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In the end I don't see shops and restaurants addressing the key issue which is stadium attendance.

The hotel, and partnership contracts with both Trenitalia and say Air1 or Ryanair to connect Turin to the south would help increase flow to the stadium. Only then could shopping complexes be fruitful.

I understand the flow would primarily be during the weekends but

a) once the infrastructure is there marketing tactics could be used to get business travellers to show up during the week

b) midweek games be it for Italian football or European football will also occur

c) the hotel's profitability isn't the motive, stadium attendance is.
 
sateeh

sateeh

Day Walker
#787
Jul 28, 2003
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gsol said:
Tifoso we are competitive in Italy. Next year we’ll be taking on Real, Barca, Man U, etc. I think the team needs to invest 30-40 million to be competative in both Italy and Europe.

Gazzo, the hotel does not need to be profitable at all. It needs to bring in fans, the profit would be realized in the stadium with increased attendance.

Sateeh if you go to ju29ro.com you can see how much Juve made selling players and how much they spent on players. They have virtually invested no capital. They have been extremely cheap in the transfer market.

Mike-e-y the land around the stadium is baron. Frankly if they were to implement a hostel type setting (which is popular in Europe) they could likely maximize space.

I agree the shopping center could be profitable all year long but people are skipping a crucial point. Turin is not a big town and that infrastructure already exists in the town center. Furthermore I do not see people going all the way out to the Delle Alpi for a whopper. The stadium is geographically detached from the rest of the city.
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The management being extremely cheap in the market is a fact, thats why we didn't buy one world beater since they came in. Had they wanted to invest a bit more we would have one world class player brought in.

Anyway back to the hotel idea. The issue i see is that we cannot build a hotel that would hold the club's name as well as accommodating the average fan's price range.
The other point about associations and partnerships with Airlines, travel agencies as well as hotel is a much better idea imo. As it would go both ways as well, its just for fans coming to Turin but for fans traveling to the away games as well.

If there is a away you could put those idea forward then i think you should as its a very good one. I don't know whats the appropriate medium, but its worthwhile to investigate it.
 
swag

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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The delle Alpi doesn't need to be in the city center. What would be sweet is if the expanding metro lines in Torino (http://www.metrotorino.it/) finally make it out there. It would make absolute sense for them to make a new line out to the renewed La Veneria Reale (http://www.lavenaria.it/) castle and make the delle Alpi a stop along the way. Even if digging is expensive as all hell.

Perhaps the city can help out here and find some common ground in getting shoppers and fans there and to more of Torino's outer attractions.
 
gsol

gsol

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Oct 14, 2007
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I don't think pricing the hotel over the fans heads would be a problem because of bundle packaging. Groups bookin in bulk and buying into different services (game, night stay, travel) would help create a "value added" feel whereby the price of the excursion would be justified. Remember, the hotel does not need to be profitable by itself, the system as a whole does.

Connecting the stadium by metro to the rest of Turin would only address the locals...though I do think it's a good idea.
 
Salvo

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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that pic is an old 1, from when they were talking bout the whole building it for the euro's. whats this i hear about it hosting weddings?????
 
Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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swag said:
The delle Alpi doesn't need to be in the city center. What would be sweet is if the expanding metro lines in Torino (http://www.metrotorino.it/) finally make it out there. It would make absolute sense for them to make a new line out to the renewed La Veneria Reale (http://www.lavenaria.it/) castle and make the delle Alpi a stop along the way. Even if digging is expensive as all hell.

Perhaps the city can help out here and find some common ground in getting shoppers and fans there and to more of Torino's outer attractions.
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i think the Torino council has already taken big steps in improving public transport to the Delle Alpi. When i used to go it was very difficult to get to the stadium from central station, you had to get a number of different trams or a taxi.

But in recent years when i have gone there are many free buses running every 5mins from central station straight to the stadium and they are available after the match too!
 
Gill_juve

Gill_juve

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May 29, 2006
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Boksic said:
i think the Torino council has already taken big steps in improving public transport to the Delle Alpi. When i used to go it was very difficult to get to the stadium from central station, you had to get a number of different trams or a taxi.

But in recent years when i have gone there are many free buses running every 5mins from central station straight to the stadium and they are available after the match too!
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yeh. but for some reason when i went turin was celebrating 100 years of railway. but it isnt very good :S
 
gsol

gsol

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Oct 14, 2007
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Transportation has been vastly improved in Turin since the Olympics but I don't know how much that will impact Juve's attendance. They need to get better transportation to Turin. People forget how far it is from the rest of Italy.
 
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