Death (4 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

Is it really so?
Really, do the religious people think that every death is God's choice and God's wish?

I doubt they do.

Because if they do there will be no logic in blaming Hitler or the Zionists or anyone else for all the murders. Those people were gonna be murdered anyway because God wished so.

Oh but you know they are going to say that God could have prevented it.

 

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[Martin]

Is it really so?
Really, do the religious people think that every death is God's choice and God's wish?

I doubt they do.

Because if they do there will be no logic in blaming Hitler or the Zionists or anyone else for all the murders. Those people were gonna be murdered anyway because God wished so.

Explain to me how it's possible that god is not responsible for someone's death? He created man, yes? And since he knows all, he knew man in 2009 in let's say Western Europe would have an average lifespan of 78 or whatever it is. Now, he's all powerful, so he could just as well have created men who live forever. But he didn't. So there's no way to twist theology without the conclusion staring you in the face that he will make you die.

If anything, Hitler and any killer works for god, expediting the process that would otherwise happen anyway.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Pff

 

[Alen]

Explain to me how it's possible that god is not responsible for someone's death? He created man, yes? And since he knows all, he knew man in 2009 in let's say Western Europe would have an average lifespan of 78 or whatever it is. Now, he's all powerful, so he could just as well have created men who live forever. But he didn't. So there's no way to twist theology without the conclusion staring you in the face that he will make you die.

If anything, Hitler and any killer works for god, expediting the process that would otherwise happen anyway.

True.
I really wanna hear what the believers think about this.

Hey, you probably said this to a believer already. What did he/she answer?

 

[Martin]

True.
I really wanna hear what the believers think about this.

Hey, you probably said this to a believer already. What did he/she answer?

No, I haven't. The only place I debate believers is on this forum.

 

[Hist]

True.
I really wanna hear what the believers think about this.

Hey, you probably said this to a believer already. What did he/she answer?

They'd say its part of the divine plan. Muslims would tell you that life is finite and is a test... if you pass then heaven is where you go... if you don't.. then hell is your home.

 

[Elvin]

I'm gonna say this: before I undeniably believed in God, and prayed to him for Juve, good marks and stuff like that (don't ask now the current me things that me was childish and naive)... this forum made me an agnostic.

 

[Elvin]

http://blog.sarcasmsociety.com/science-technology/new-fossil-discovery-changes-everything.html

:wth:

 

[Salvo]

is there any proof?

 

[IrishZebra]

I'm gonna say this: before I undeniably believed in God, and prayed to him for Juve, good marks and stuff like that (don't ask now the current me things that me was childish and naive)... this forum made me an agnostic.

This forum made you a fence-sitter without courage of conviction

 

[Ahmed]

I'm gonna say this: before I undeniably believed in God, and prayed to him for Juve, good marks and stuff like that (don't ask now the current me things that me was childish and naive)... this forum made me an agnostic.

this forum did that to you?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

So a question for Atheists here :

Do you people believe that good health and luck are the sole determinants of how long you live?Or is this more to it?

Not to target anyone.This is just a question that i felt like discussing here.

Happy Debating.

add to it your professional help and you got it

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

I'm gonna say this: before I undeniably believed in God, and prayed to him for Juve, good marks and stuff like that (don't ask now the current me things that me was childish and naive)... this forum made me an agnostic.

dude, i prayed, well made a pact with god, that if Juve beat real i would be a good boy. i had $50 on that game which back then was a lot of money. we won 2-0, i'll let everyone here do the math

 

[IrishZebra]

Religion, what a preposterous notion, surely you fellows have heard of Master Darwins new theories

 

[Ford Prefect]

This forum made you a fence-sitter without courage of conviction

Hear Hear.

 

[Ahmed]

the real question is, can he play RB?

 

[Martin]

dude, i prayed, well made a pact with god, that if Juve beat real i would be a good boy. i had $50 on that game which back then was a lot of money. we won 2-0, i'll let everyone here do the math

that's why you turned out such a sweet heart

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

that's why you turned out such a sweet heart

i am though, like seriously ... it's a dog eat dog world martin. i needs to survive

 

[rounder]

Explain to me how it's possible that god is not responsible for someone's death? He created man, yes? And since he knows all, he knew man in 2009 in let's say Western Europe would have an average lifespan of 78 or whatever it is. Now, he's all powerful, so he could just as well have created men who live forever. But he didn't. So there's no way to twist theology without the conclusion staring you in the face that he will make you die.

If anything, Hitler and any killer works for god, expediting the process that would otherwise happen anyway.

If you believe in God then you probably believe in an afterlife. You don't believe that our death in this life is permanent. When we actually die, our bodies are eternally dead but we will live on. That is, of course, on the theistic perspective.

If you are religious; God isn't really a sadistic 'asshole', is he?