David Trezeguet (51 Viewers)
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The difference between Inzaghi and Trezeguet is that Trez receives passes in the box and tries to score with these. Volleys, headers, low shots, hard shots, he can do it all.
Inzaghi just roams around the box and taps the ball in when the keeper releases it, a defender makes a bad pass, ball hits the post etc...
Trez is the last step in most of our attacks, while Inzaghi is often the last step plus one.
Inzaghi just roams around the box and taps the ball in when the keeper releases it, a defender makes a bad pass, ball hits the post etc...
Trez is the last step in most of our attacks, while Inzaghi is often the last step plus one.
It's funny because as much as I hate Inzaghi , there are just some facts you can't just ignore .
He scores decisive goals that are crucial for his team more often than not .
He played for Italy's top two clubs , Juventus , Milan . There must be a reason for that .
He plays for the Italian national team .
He is 2 goals away from beating Muller's European goalscoring record ( pretty impessive ) with 60 goals scored .
Trz and Inzaghi , the reason they seem different is because they play for different clubs who play completely different football . He gets many offsides because Milan's style of football plays many through passes . Juve rarely do .
I completely disagree when someone said Inzaghi doesn't score headers or volleys . What are you talking about ? Half his goals are headers and volleys , in fact , he is one of the best players when it comes to headers etc..
He scores decisive goals that are crucial for his team more often than not .
He played for Italy's top two clubs , Juventus , Milan . There must be a reason for that .
He plays for the Italian national team .
He is 2 goals away from beating Muller's European goalscoring record ( pretty impessive ) with 60 goals scored .
Trz and Inzaghi , the reason they seem different is because they play for different clubs who play completely different football . He gets many offsides because Milan's style of football plays many through passes . Juve rarely do .
I completely disagree when someone said Inzaghi doesn't score headers or volleys . What are you talking about ? Half his goals are headers and volleys , in fact , he is one of the best players when it comes to headers etc..
Fair enough argument about Toni. He's better than Treze when it comes with team support .. But remember that Treze have been locked in the penalty area almost all of his career, getting out would take some time to adapt .. and there is all the space to improve (unfortunately not the time). One of the reasons I'm liking Ranieri is the way Treze is seen actually ..
and about assists I would really like someone put some stats on Treze's number of assists .. I can think of many ..
and about assists I would really like someone put some stats on Treze's number of assists .. I can think of many ..
He has limited abilities but it still takes an an extremely skillful striker to be able to finish and score goals. If every player had the same touch as Trez then we would be seeing goal records broken and better goal to game ratios all the time. If he scores a ton of goals and does not get nominated then it's a mistake not to nominate him.
also consider something here. Over the last few years our build up play has been terrible yet Trex still scores alot of goals. Just look at this season, we've had terrible buildup of play yet still Trez is joint top scorer in the league. Can you imagine juts how much more Trez would score if he had say a Gerrard or Pirlo in the team? someone who could create chances well?
also consider this: Football is a TEAM game. With the exception of Kaka and Messi in recent years and Maradona in Argentina, every team these does not rely consistently on one player to save them. The team as a whole has to play well to win. Obviously a team
will take advantge of it's players' strengths (just like we take advantage of Trez's ability) but no longer can a team just rely on one player to drag it through games. Players must compliment one another. That's the reason DP-Trez partnership is special. They compliment one another. One is a player who can dribble and create chances while the other is the one who can finish those crated chances.
Every team must play it's team to it's strengths and make it's player compliment one another to hide those players' weaknesses. You see it in all teams. look at Milan for example. Gattuso can't pass for shit. and Pirlo could not dominate and destory opponent plays the way Gattuso does. Played alone in the midfield these players would play awfully bad yet together they crate a world class partnership that compliment on another. Now both Pirlo and Gattuso are limited players yet that does not stop them from being WC.
If Trez does not touch the ball, then it's his teams fault for not providing him with decent chances. IF Trez does not score from 3-4 solid chances he receives during a game then you could say that Trez had an awful game.
you mentioned Fabregas and Kaka and how their team depends on them. Well it's a double edged sword. If your team depend on one player to play well then it means your team is poor as a whole unit because if that one player gets injured or goes through a period of being out of form then you are screwed. That's why a team has to play well as a UNIT. building a team around one player no longer works well these days (unless you have a super player like Kaka or Messi) and even then it's proven to be still gamble)
also consider something here. Over the last few years our build up play has been terrible yet Trex still scores alot of goals. Just look at this season, we've had terrible buildup of play yet still Trez is joint top scorer in the league. Can you imagine juts how much more Trez would score if he had say a Gerrard or Pirlo in the team? someone who could create chances well?
also consider this: Football is a TEAM game. With the exception of Kaka and Messi in recent years and Maradona in Argentina, every team these does not rely consistently on one player to save them. The team as a whole has to play well to win. Obviously a team
will take advantge of it's players' strengths (just like we take advantage of Trez's ability) but no longer can a team just rely on one player to drag it through games. Players must compliment one another. That's the reason DP-Trez partnership is special. They compliment one another. One is a player who can dribble and create chances while the other is the one who can finish those crated chances.
Every team must play it's team to it's strengths and make it's player compliment one another to hide those players' weaknesses. You see it in all teams. look at Milan for example. Gattuso can't pass for shit. and Pirlo could not dominate and destory opponent plays the way Gattuso does. Played alone in the midfield these players would play awfully bad yet together they crate a world class partnership that compliment on another. Now both Pirlo and Gattuso are limited players yet that does not stop them from being WC.
If Trez does not touch the ball, then it's his teams fault for not providing him with decent chances. IF Trez does not score from 3-4 solid chances he receives during a game then you could say that Trez had an awful game.
you mentioned Fabregas and Kaka and how their team depends on them. Well it's a double edged sword. If your team depend on one player to play well then it means your team is poor as a whole unit because if that one player gets injured or goes through a period of being out of form then you are screwed. That's why a team has to play well as a UNIT. building a team around one player no longer works well these days (unless you have a super player like Kaka or Messi) and even then it's proven to be still gamble)
So a striker has to play on the wings now and not be in the box for scoring?
Yes, Toni is a completely different striker to Trez.
He scored. What do you want from him? To run back into the penalty area for every corner the opposition gets and try to defend? Football is a team game. You say about how he relies on his teammates to assist him, isn't that what their job is? Nedved and Camoranesi are wingers. They play out wide and are meant to cross the ball and give service to our strike force. Buffon is a goalie, he is meant to stop every shot going towards our goal. Trez is a striker, he is meant to put the ball into the back of the net and wait for it.... HE HAS. He is the top scorer in one of the top European divisions at the moment and is on form. He is our best player in the oppositions penalty area and he proved that by just scoring a hattrick.
So scoring a shitload of goals is "limited abilities" now
And you can't compare Kaka and Fabregas to Trezeguet, they have different roles in the team. And you also got it bang on the money there, he is a team player. Football is a team game, or is it? Do you want us to start only Del Piero against Inter or the best possible team we have? Think about it...
Yes, Toni is a completely different striker to Trez.
He scored. What do you want from him? To run back into the penalty area for every corner the opposition gets and try to defend? Football is a team game. You say about how he relies on his teammates to assist him, isn't that what their job is? Nedved and Camoranesi are wingers. They play out wide and are meant to cross the ball and give service to our strike force. Buffon is a goalie, he is meant to stop every shot going towards our goal. Trez is a striker, he is meant to put the ball into the back of the net and wait for it.... HE HAS. He is the top scorer in one of the top European divisions at the moment and is on form. He is our best player in the oppositions penalty area and he proved that by just scoring a hattrick.
So scoring a shitload of goals is "limited abilities" now
And you can't compare Kaka and Fabregas to Trezeguet, they have different roles in the team. And you also got it bang on the money there, he is a team player. Football is a team game, or is it? Do you want us to start only Del Piero against Inter or the best possible team we have? Think about it...
There's no doubt players compliment each other . But players really don't have to be Maradona to be individually strong . The best example is when players move from one club to another . They leave their respective teams with players that compliment them well to other teams with players they don't really know yet they still play excellent football in their newteams . More often than not they even play better football in their new teams .
Players compliment each other only after they have been playing with each other for a long time . They compliment each other not only because of their opposite qualities but because they have experience together and know how to combine with each other to be as effective as they can . Most players that compliment each other well have been playing together for years . .Trezeguet doesn't
complete Del piero nor is it the other way around simply because these players can play just as well with someone else alongside them . Trezeguet can score just as many goals with Iaquinta by his side. But you seem to think that players compliment one another when they're in pairs
Well .. I don't think that's very accurate , I think only a whole team can compliment itself with its own players . Many players have to mix and gel to make a solid , balanced , and effective mixture that makes a team .
Now when one player adds more to the team than the other player does he naturally is considered to be the star of the team . That's what I meant when I said Trez will prob never get nominated for the player of the year award . He is good at scoring goals , but can he add as much as Nedved , Del piero , or Cannavaro did at their best years ? No , simply because heisn't the undisputed best at his position . In fact many consider him to be a very average player .
Even though having the scoring touch Trez has is a rarity nowadays , it just isn't enough . There's so much more a player in Trez's position has to do to earn the best player tag . More of an all round player .Only someone who has the passing , scoring touch . and dribbling can have a chance at winning these awards .
I have to disagree on what you said about Fabregas and Kaka .. If a team depends on a player , that doesn't mean that team sucks .. Juventus depended on Zidane . Milan depend on Kaka . Arsenal on Fabregas . Roma on Totti .
It really just means that this player can give more than the average player , But without his team , he's nothing . Nearly every team has this one player that they candepend on despite having many other world class players in their squad .
A team is a bunch of stars that need some sort of string to start complimenting each other properly . I remember Zidane , Nedved , and Del piero doing that for Juventus .
Players compliment each other only after they have been playing with each other for a long time . They compliment each other not only because of their opposite qualities but because they have experience together and know how to combine with each other to be as effective as they can . Most players that compliment each other well have been playing together for years . .Trezeguet doesn't
complete Del piero nor is it the other way around simply because these players can play just as well with someone else alongside them . Trezeguet can score just as many goals with Iaquinta by his side. But you seem to think that players compliment one another when they're in pairs
Well .. I don't think that's very accurate , I think only a whole team can compliment itself with its own players . Many players have to mix and gel to make a solid , balanced , and effective mixture that makes a team .
Now when one player adds more to the team than the other player does he naturally is considered to be the star of the team . That's what I meant when I said Trez will prob never get nominated for the player of the year award . He is good at scoring goals , but can he add as much as Nedved , Del piero , or Cannavaro did at their best years ? No , simply because heisn't the undisputed best at his position . In fact many consider him to be a very average player .
Even though having the scoring touch Trez has is a rarity nowadays , it just isn't enough . There's so much more a player in Trez's position has to do to earn the best player tag . More of an all round player .Only someone who has the passing , scoring touch . and dribbling can have a chance at winning these awards .
I have to disagree on what you said about Fabregas and Kaka .. If a team depends on a player , that doesn't mean that team sucks .. Juventus depended on Zidane . Milan depend on Kaka . Arsenal on Fabregas . Roma on Totti .
It really just means that this player can give more than the average player , But without his team , he's nothing . Nearly every team has this one player that they candepend on despite having many other world class players in their squad .
A team is a bunch of stars that need some sort of string to start complimenting each other properly . I remember Zidane , Nedved , and Del piero doing that for Juventus .
So a striker has to play on the wings now and not be in the box for scoring?
Yes, Toni is a completely different striker to Trez.
He scored. What do you want from him? To run back into the penalty area for every corner the opposition gets and try to defend? Football is a team game. You say about how he relies on his teammates to assist him, isn't that what their job is? Nedved and Camoranesi are wingers. They play out wide and are meant to cross the ball and give service to our strike force. Buffon is a goalie, he is meant to stop every shot going towards our goal. Trez is a striker, he is meant to put the ball into the back of the net and wait for it.... HE HAS. He is the top scorer in one of the top European divisions at the moment and is on form. He is our best player in the oppositions penalty area and he proved that by just scoring a hattrick.
So scoring a shitload of goals is "limited abilities" now
And you can't compare Kaka and Fabregas to Trezeguet, they have different roles in the team. And you also got it bang on the money there, he is a team player. Football is a team game, or is it? Do you want us to start only Del Piero against Inter or the best possible team we have? Think about it...
Yes, Toni is a completely different striker to Trez.
He scored. What do you want from him? To run back into the penalty area for every corner the opposition gets and try to defend? Football is a team game. You say about how he relies on his teammates to assist him, isn't that what their job is? Nedved and Camoranesi are wingers. They play out wide and are meant to cross the ball and give service to our strike force. Buffon is a goalie, he is meant to stop every shot going towards our goal. Trez is a striker, he is meant to put the ball into the back of the net and wait for it.... HE HAS. He is the top scorer in one of the top European divisions at the moment and is on form. He is our best player in the oppositions penalty area and he proved that by just scoring a hattrick.
So scoring a shitload of goals is "limited abilities" now
And you can't compare Kaka and Fabregas to Trezeguet, they have different roles in the team. And you also got it bang on the money there, he is a team player. Football is a team game, or is it? Do you want us to start only Del Piero against Inter or the best possible team we have? Think about it...
I don't want him to run back to defense , no . You are massively missing the point here . You don't seem to understand teh concept of multiple qualities .
So a player can either be a
1) goal scorer , just scores goals .
2)winger , just runs in the wings
3 Defender , just clears the ball away .
Football isn't a game of robots and not every player is programmed to do one specific thing and nothing else . They are professional players that should have numerous abilities to earn respect .
Again , you compleetely missed the concept I was aiming for here . When did I ever say Football isn't a team sport . I said a team can depend on a special player to steal a victory for them when nothing goes their way . This means that Juve should only play Del piero against Inter ? I'm missing your logic here man .
Ask yourself who the most famous and successful football players of the world are . Come up with the top 5 names , and count how many numerous abilities each one has and how they are always the one that adds that extra something to their team .
