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LEONIDAS

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Apr 12, 2017
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There's a world cup next year.
No way he will be moving to some less competitive team like Totteham.
I bet he'll try to play in the highest level possible in such a crucial year; since the World Cup is the only title he never won.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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There's a world cup next year.
No way he will be moving to some less competitive team like Totteham.
I bet he'll try to play in the highest level possible in such a crucial year; since the World Cup is the only title he never won.
What do you think is more importand for an RB, attacking or defending?
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,354
The guy dribbles and plays like a WC midfielder. His possession game is nasty for a defender. lol imagine Chiellini trying to do the same things


And dat der lolzilian link up on his goal

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What do you think is more importand for an RB, attacking or defending?
i think Dani would say both :D

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icemaη;5521515 said:
If we win the CL, he'll be a Juve legend for me. Even if he stays here only for this season.
I agree he practically meta-morphed into a super hero. Literally dragging us along. I wonder how much we made for getting through the semis because we owe it to him. Hell of a return on an investment
 

LEONIDAS

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Apr 12, 2017
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IGOR TUDOR

I think the position of RB/LB as the europeans understand it is a total LIE.
When you playe at least amateur football you can see that its IMPOSSIBLE for a RB or LB really attack AND defend with competence.
You need to say what you want the player to do more.

The RB and the LB are attacking players that need to help the defense, like the wingers.
Yes you're not supposed to ONLY attack, but the team should cover the RB using the midfielders and let the guy attack ALL THE TIME.

Why? Because is better to attack in the wide positions.
Oh, but a winger can do that, right?
Not really. A winger will start in a advanced position in the pitch, and only if the guy got a lot of talent we will see any impact in the game.

In the modern game is not hard to mark a wide winger(Dutch styled) out of the game.
They do that with Neymar all the time(not in the nt because the coach tells him to change his position)

What i'm saying is: as an attacking RB/LB you dont need to be as talented as a top winger in order to have basically the same impact.
This's why i dont like 4-3-3.
All the Brazilian were trained in 4-4-2 since the 70s, even when we play for fun with our friends is 4-4-2.

When you see a Brazilian nt using 4-3-3 in the paper, in the reality is 4-1-4-1...we dont know how to play 4-3-3.
Our midfielders cant attack and defend, they're specialists, Casemiro will defend, the other guys wil ATTACK and help the defence as they can.

If you say to Paulinho: "be a box to box.", he will flop at Totteham.
If you say to him: "go there and attack all the time with your RB, he will be MOTM against Argentina and score a heatrick against Uruguay in Montevideo..

All those Brazilians in europe are not wingers, - Lucas Moura,.Felipe Anderson, William, Coutinho... they''re second strikers.
They cant mark full backs and still put on good attacking stats..
The real "wingers" are supposed to be the RB/LB.

I wrote a bible and my english sucks.
Probably a lot of words are wrong, i apologize.
 

CrimsonianKing

U can't expect an Inexperienced team like Juventus
Jan 16, 2013
26,115
IGOR TUDOR

I think the position of RB/LB as the europeans understand it is a total LIE.
When you playe at least amateur football you can see that its IMPOSSIBLE for a RB or LB really attack AND defend with competence.
You need to say what you want the player to do more.

The RB and the LB are attacking players that need to help the defense, like the wingers.
Yes you're not supposed to ONLY attack, but the team should cover the RB using the midfielders and let the guy attack ALL THE TIME.

Why? Because is better to attack in the wide positions.
Oh, but a winger can do that, right?
Not really. A winger will start in a advanced position in the pitch, and only if the guy got a lot of talent we will see any impact in the game.

In the modern game is not hard to mark a wide winger(Dutch styled) out of the game.
They do that with Neymar all the time(not in the nt because the coach tells him to change his position)

What i'm saying is: as an attacking RB/LB you dont need to be as talented as a top winger in order to have basically the same impact.
This's why i dont like 4-3-3.
All the Brazilian were trained in 4-4-2 since the 70s, even when we play for fun with our friends is 4-4-2.

When you see a Brazilian nt using 4-3-3 in the paper, in the reality is 4-1-4-1...we dont know how to play 4-3-3.
Our midfielders cant attack and defend, they're specialists, Casemiro will defend, the other guys wil ATTACK and help the defence as they can.

If you say to Paulinho: "be a box to box.", he will flop at Totteham.
If you say to him: "go there and attack all the time with your RB, he will be MOTM against Argentina and score a heatrick against Uruguay in Montevideo..

All those Brazilians in europe are not wingers, - Lucas Moura,.Felipe Anderson, William, Coutinho... they''re second strikers.
They cant mark full backs and still put on good attacking stats..
The real "wingers" are supposed to be the RB/LB.

I wrote a bible and my english sucks.
Probably a lot of words are wrong, i apologize.
No need to apologize. Some interesting thoughts.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,006
IGOR TUDOR

I think the position of RB/LB as the europeans understand it is a total LIE.
When you playe at least amateur football you can see that its IMPOSSIBLE for a RB or LB really attack AND defend with competence.
You need to say what you want the player to do more.

The RB and the LB are attacking players that need to help the defense, like the wingers.
Yes you're not supposed to ONLY attack, but the team should cover the RB using the midfielders and let the guy attack ALL THE TIME.

Why? Because is better to attack in the wide positions.
Oh, but a winger can do that, right?
Not really. A winger will start in a advanced position in the pitch, and only if the guy got a lot of talent we will see any impact in the game.

In the modern game is not hard to mark a wide winger(Dutch styled) out of the game.
They do that with Neymar all the time(not in the nt because the coach tells him to change his position)

What i'm saying is: as an attacking RB/LB you dont need to be as talented as a top winger in order to have basically the same impact.
This's why i dont like 4-3-3.
All the Brazilian were trained in 4-4-2 since the 70s, even when we play for fun with our friends is 4-4-2.

When you see a Brazilian nt using 4-3-3 in the paper, in the reality is 4-1-4-1...we dont know how to play 4-3-3.
Our midfielders cant attack and defend, they're specialists, Casemiro will defend, the other guys wil ATTACK and help the defence as they can.

If you say to Paulinho: "be a box to box.", he will flop at Totteham.
If you say to him: "go there and attack all the time with your RB, he will be MOTM against Argentina and score a heatrick against Uruguay in Montevideo..

All those Brazilians in europe are not wingers, - Lucas Moura,.Felipe Anderson, William, Coutinho... they''re second strikers.
They cant mark full backs and still put on good attacking stats..
The real "wingers" are supposed to be the RB/LB.

I wrote a bible and my english sucks.
Probably a lot of words are wrong, i apologize.
:tup: very well said
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
59,260
Barzagli makes it work. He's defending for two on the right side.
Tell that to Neymar over two games, our brazilian fullbacks shut shit down completely but get no respect for defending...

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IGOR TUDOR

I think the position of RB/LB as the europeans understand it is a total LIE.
When you playe at least amateur football you can see that its IMPOSSIBLE for a RB or LB really attack AND defend with competence.
You need to say what you want the player to do more.

The RB and the LB are attacking players that need to help the defense, like the wingers.
Yes you're not supposed to ONLY attack, but the team should cover the RB using the midfielders and let the guy attack ALL THE TIME.

Why? Because is better to attack in the wide positions.
Oh, but a winger can do that, right?
Not really. A winger will start in a advanced position in the pitch, and only if the guy got a lot of talent we will see any impact in the game.

In the modern game is not hard to mark a wide winger(Dutch styled) out of the game.
They do that with Neymar all the time(not in the nt because the coach tells him to change his position)

What i'm saying is: as an attacking RB/LB you dont need to be as talented as a top winger in order to have basically the same impact.
This's why i dont like 4-3-3.
All the Brazilian were trained in 4-4-2 since the 70s, even when we play for fun with our friends is 4-4-2.

When you see a Brazilian nt using 4-3-3 in the paper, in the reality is 4-1-4-1...we dont know how to play 4-3-3.
Our midfielders cant attack and defend, they're specialists, Casemiro will defend, the other guys wil ATTACK and help the defence as they can.

If you say to Paulinho: "be a box to box.", he will flop at Totteham.
If you say to him: "go there and attack all the time with your RB, he will be MOTM against Argentina and score a heatrick against Uruguay in Montevideo..

All those Brazilians in europe are not wingers, - Lucas Moura,.Felipe Anderson, William, Coutinho... they''re second strikers.
They cant mark full backs and still put on good attacking stats..
The real "wingers" are supposed to be the RB/LB.

I wrote a bible and my english sucks.
Probably a lot of words are wrong, i apologize.
 

duranfj

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
8,765
IGOR TUDOR

I think the position of RB/LB as the europeans understand it is a total LIE.
When you playe at least amateur football you can see that its IMPOSSIBLE for a RB or LB really attack AND defend with competence.
You need to say what you want the player to do more.

The RB and the LB are attacking players that need to help the defense, like the wingers.
Yes you're not supposed to ONLY attack, but the team should cover the RB using the midfielders and let the guy attack ALL THE TIME.

Why? Because is better to attack in the wide positions.
Oh, but a winger can do that, right?
Not really. A winger will start in a advanced position in the pitch, and only if the guy got a lot of talent we will see any impact in the game.

In the modern game is not hard to mark a wide winger(Dutch styled) out of the game.
They do that with Neymar all the time(not in the nt because the coach tells him to change his position)

What i'm saying is: as an attacking RB/LB you dont need to be as talented as a top winger in order to have basically the same impact.
This's why i dont like 4-3-3.
All the Brazilian were trained in 4-4-2 since the 70s, even when we play for fun with our friends is 4-4-2.

When you see a Brazilian nt using 4-3-3 in the paper, in the reality is 4-1-4-1...we dont know how to play 4-3-3.
Our midfielders cant attack and defend, they're specialists, Casemiro will defend, the other guys wil ATTACK and help the defence as they can.

If you say to Paulinho: "be a box to box.", he will flop at Totteham.
If you say to him: "go there and attack all the time with your RB, he will be MOTM against Argentina and score a heatrick against Uruguay in Montevideo..

All those Brazilians in europe are not wingers, - Lucas Moura,.Felipe Anderson, William, Coutinho... they''re second strikers.
They cant mark full backs and still put on good attacking stats..
The real "wingers" are supposed to be the RB/LB.

I wrote a bible and my english sucks.
Probably a lot of words are wrong, i apologize.
Partially agree. Maybe not just Europe don't understand what it takes to be a great FB, I think anyone but Brazilians understand that position cuz if you do a list top 10 in the world, almost all are from Brazil.

There's not B2B from Brazil, nevertheless Pogs, Lampard, Gerard, Vidal, Carrick, Renato Sanchez are/were B2B.

About Brazilian wingers you r absolutely right, they all don't have any clue how to defend at all, tactical and technical, but after some years in Europe some of them at least know where to stand in the field
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
IGOR TUDOR

I think the position of RB/LB as the europeans understand it is a total LIE.
When you playe at least amateur football you can see that its IMPOSSIBLE for a RB or LB really attack AND defend with competence.
You need to say what you want the player to do more.

The RB and the LB are attacking players that need to help the defense, like the wingers.
Yes you're not supposed to ONLY attack, but the team should cover the RB using the midfielders and let the guy attack ALL THE TIME.

Why? Because is better to attack in the wide positions.
Oh, but a winger can do that, right?
Not really. A winger will start in a advanced position in the pitch, and only if the guy got a lot of talent we will see any impact in the game.

In the modern game is not hard to mark a wide winger(Dutch styled) out of the game.
They do that with Neymar all the time(not in the nt because the coach tells him to change his position)

What i'm saying is: as an attacking RB/LB you dont need to be as talented as a top winger in order to have basically the same impact.
This's why i dont like 4-3-3.
All the Brazilian were trained in 4-4-2 since the 70s, even when we play for fun with our friends is 4-4-2.

When you see a Brazilian nt using 4-3-3 in the paper, in the reality is 4-1-4-1...we dont know how to play 4-3-3.
Our midfielders cant attack and defend, they're specialists, Casemiro will defend, the other guys wil ATTACK and help the defence as they can.

If you say to Paulinho: "be a box to box.", he will flop at Totteham.
If you say to him: "go there and attack all the time with your RB, he will be MOTM against Argentina and score a heatrick against Uruguay in Montevideo..

All those Brazilians in europe are not wingers, - Lucas Moura,.Felipe Anderson, William, Coutinho... they''re second strikers.
They cant mark full backs and still put on good attacking stats..
The real "wingers" are supposed to be the RB/LB.

I wrote a bible and my english sucks.
Probably a lot of words are wrong, i apologize.
That was a very interesting read :tup:

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Tell that to Neymar over two games, our brazilian fullbacks shut shit down completely but get no respect for defending...

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Despite all his games, for me the Barcelona games were the epitome of Dani Alves at juventus.


What an incredible match he had twice
 

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