Cristiano Ronaldo (125 Viewers)

[JuveE46]

There is no such thing as a GOAT player, can't compare by goals, only categorically... otherwise you are mixing up popularity with functionality.
"Ballon Dor" is for people who witness football as an event without understanding it.
If we are comparing by category then R9 at his peak shits all over CR7 as a pure attacking threat/talent.

 

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[Albo]

Lol ballon d'or

Yeah , Messi didn't deserve his last one , also CR7 should've won back in 2018 , but you can't deny these 2 were absolutely the best last 15 years .

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There is no such thing as a GOAT player, can't compare by goals, only categorically... otherwise you are mixing up popularity with functionality.
"Ballon Dor" is for people who witness football as an event without understanding it.
If we are comparing by category then R9 at his peak shits all over CR7 as a pure attacking threat/talent.

another myth , can you tell me when was his peak ? and pls don't blame on his injuries .

R9 only once scored more than 30 goals in his whole career (league goals) while playing for Barca , on his best season while he was playing for Inter he scored 25 goals , on his 2nd season he scored 14 .

While he was playing for Madrid he scored about 20 goals per season .

Just becasue he knew how to dribble , he doesn't even come close to CR7 .

And i don't even want to talk about their performance on champions league , R9 looks like some average guy compared to CR7 .

 

[GiocataGrande]

It's logical to think somone as a goat if he has won 7 ballon do'r (Messi) or he is/was best player in the history of champions league (CR7) , that's totally logical.


I've never seen Pele,Cruyff,Maradona .

You missed out.

My father still play his videocasette of the 86 victory. One of the most legendary tournament performances in sport history.


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If we are comparing by category then R9 at his peak shits all over CR7 as a pure attacking threat/talent.

easily too, but stats are what people will focus on in these debates and therefore R9 loses

 

[Nzoric]

Who cares about Maradona, honestly. Cr7 or Messi are the only two players worth mentioning in the Goat debate. Any choice between the two is basically a personal preference.


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[swag]

There is no such thing as a GOAT player, can't compare by goals, only categorically... otherwise you are mixing up popularity with functionality.
"Ballon Dor" is for people who witness football as an event without understanding it.
If we are comparing by category then R9 at his peak shits all over CR7 as a pure attacking threat/talent.

I blame millennials for this GOAT nonsense. It should be abolished for cultural stupidity and ignorance.

 

[duranfj]

CR7 played for Juve. He's the GOAT.

 

[Afghan_juventus]

R9's peak was one of the best ever, but he does not shit on a player who scored 60 goals while playing on the wing lmao.

 

[ALC]

Ronaldinho was the best all time talent but had a relatively short prime so people don’t consider him in the GOAT debate. Definitely better than R9 imo

 

[Albo]

You missed out.

My father still play his videocasette of the 86 victory. One of the most legendary tournament performances in sport history.

easily too, but stats are what people will focus on in these debates and therefore R9 loses

Maradona is famous because he won the world cup , as i already said i didn't watch him (i'm 30 y old) , but according to wikipedia he never scored more than 16 goals while playing in Europe .

Ofc people should focus on stats , numbers don't lie , there is no chance some average guy scored 30+ goals per season every year , CR7/Messi did that .

But people are nostalgic , whenever we talk about RB alot of guys think Caffu , but Dani Alves is way better than him .

And this doesn't have nothing to do with "old era" and "modern football" i mean everyone think Buffon/Casillas/Neuer are the best GKs ever , i've never seen somone telling me some random GK from 80-90s era was the best , only Lev Yashin was mentioned .

 

[Cerval]

Comparing stats between generations is a waste of time.

 

[Albo]

Comparing stats between generations is a waste of time.

Am i supposed to go and download all the matches and compare them ? Hell no

Why people are so against the stats i don't get , goal is goal , it doesn't matter the generation . You can't "fake pump" the stats , you have to be super quality to score each season 30+ goals , there is no way to fake it (unless the offside rule didn't exist)

According to Transfermarkt R9 scored only 14 goals whole his career in CHL , that's laughble , CR7 scored 15 goals in one season , and some people belive R9 was better

 

[GiocataGrande]

Maradona is famous because he won the world cup , as i already said i didn't watch him (i'm 30 y old) , but according to wikipedia he never scored more than 16 goals while playing in Europe .

Ofc people should focus on stats , numbers don't lie , there is no chance some average guy scored 30+ goals per season every year , CR7/Messi did that .

But people are nostalgic , whenever we talk about RB alot of guys think Caffu , but Dani Alves is way better than him .

And this doesn't have nothing to do with "old era" and "modern football" i mean everyone think Buffon/Casillas/Neuer are the best GKs ever , i've never seen somone telling me some random GK from 80-90s era was the best , only Lev Yashin was mentioned .

The way you are presenting your argument tells me you simply lack the knowledge on this subject or base your argument excessively on stats, which will naturally give a distorted view to this debate.

You didnt see maradona ? Ok,but do you think you are going to have an accurate view of his career by just reading his Wikipedia?

If you think Maradonas legacy solely relies on the world cup and that is the only thing that made him famous then Idk man, go to Argentina and speak like that and they will call you a comedian

 

[Ventus]

Makes you wonder how unhappy he was here when he forced a move to Man Utd lol.

 

[GiocataGrande]

Makes you wonder how unhappy he was here when he forced a move to Man Utd lol.

Im sure he is super happy now, what a shitshow at ChokeChester

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The way you are presenting your argument tells me you simply lack the knowledge on this subject or base your argument excessively on stats, which will naturally give a distorted view to this debate.

You didnt see maradona ? Ok,but do you think you are going to have an accurate view of his career by just reading his Wikipedia?

If you think Maradonas legacy solely relies on the world cup and that is the only thing that made him famous then Idk man, go to Argentina and speak like that and they will call you a comedian

I remember telling people in Argentina i saw diego, the look on their face, it's like i seen jesus. The thing people don't realize is that the paradigm of personal stats and efficiency didn't always exist. Magic, artistry, fantasy, and above all the power to move millions. Diego inspired everywhere he went.

 

[Post Ironic]

Comparing stats between generations is a waste of time.

Only thing to talk about is best of each generation. All the greatest of each generation would be greats anywhere throughout football history.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I just hate that he played for Napoli.

I mean he really fit in with the culture of that city for sure, but I hate that Napoli fans can claim that they had (probably) the best of all time to play for them.

 

[GiocataGrande]

I remember telling people in Argentina i saw diego, the look on their face, it's like i seen jesus. The thing people don't realize is that the paradigm of personal stats and efficiency didn't always exist. Magic, artistry, fantasy, and above all the power to move millions. Diego inspired everywhere he went.

^pretty much everything you mentioned^ thats not even mentioning the impact he had on Napoli and the whole city there.

Also the World cup was the crown for Diegos career, but he was already considered the worlds undisputable best player at that time, not based on stats but the full range of his abilities and by basically being a "prototype" in comparison to other players at that time.
Dude was just way ahead in so many levels and on a different planet.

Players like Maradona, Ronaldinho, Zidane, R9, Pele etc were pioneers and revolutionary in so many ways and reducing a Goat debate to a pure stats contest is a lazy way of skipping past important factors like :

degree of difficulty, team strength, historical importance , positioning on the field (comparing goals scored between a striker and a midfielder for example is just stupid) influence, leadership capabilites, how complete the player is etc and the list goes on. There are a lot of things to consider.

Anyways, this debate is never going to end and will always be discussed, but saying "anything else but Ronaldo or Messi is Nostalgia" and basing that statement purely on a certain stat is ignorant imo

 

[s4tch]

stats are meaningful and can't be ignored. as of now, cr is the undisputed king of cl, he won every major league he entered with his respective teams, won the cl with multiple teams, was the top scorer for 3 leagues, holds many individual records, won the cl 3 times in a row, the list is way too long. stats wise he's probably the best player of all time, and at least he's a good candidate for it. he's one of the best athletes to ever wear football boots, i think everyone can agree with that.

but as gordo said, everything can't be measured. maradona's influence was incredible. that '86-87 team wasn't anything special without him. look at this napoli team. only ferrara became a class player (in an other position lol), bagni and de napoli had many caps for italy, the others were totally forgettable players. like someone took sassuolo with locatelli, berardi and a bunch of nobodies and made them title contenders. only maradona could do that. i never liked his personality for obvious reasons, but on the pitch, he was simply magical.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

^pretty much everything you mentioned^ thats not even mentioning the impact he had on Napoli and the whole city there.

Also the World cup was the crown for Diegos career, but he was already considered the worlds undisputable best player at that time, not based on stats but the full range of his abilities and by basically being a "prototype" in comparison to other players at that time.
Dude was just way ahead in so many levels and on a different planet.

Players like Maradona, Ronaldinho, Zidane, R9, Pele etc were pioneers and revolutionary in so many ways and reducing a Goat debate to a pure stats contest is a lazy way of skipping past important factors like :

degree of difficulty, team strength, historical importance , positioning on the field (comparing goals scored between a striker and a midfielder for example is just stupid) influence, leadership capabilites, how complete the player is etc and the list goes on. There are a lot of things to consider.

Anyways, this debate is never going to end and will always be discussed, but saying "anything else but Ronaldo or Messi is Nostalgia" and basing that statement purely on a certain stat is ignorant imo

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