Am i supposed to go and download all the matches and compare them ? Hell no
Why people are so against the stats i don't get , goal is goal , it doesn't matter the generation . You can't "fake pump" the stats , you have to be super quality to score each season 30+ goals , there is no way to fake it (unless the offside rule didn't exist)
According to Transfermarkt R9 scored only 14 goals whole his career in CHL , that's laughble , CR7 scored 15 goals in one season , and some people belive R9 was better
Why people are so against the stats i don't get , goal is goal , it doesn't matter the generation . You can't "fake pump" the stats , you have to be super quality to score each season 30+ goals , there is no way to fake it (unless the offside rule didn't exist)
According to Transfermarkt R9 scored only 14 goals whole his career in CHL , that's laughble , CR7 scored 15 goals in one season , and some people belive R9 was better
The way you are presenting your argument tells me you simply lack the knowledge on this subject or base your argument excessively on stats, which will naturally give a distorted view to this debate.
You didnt see maradona ? Ok,but do you think you are going to have an accurate view of his career by just reading his Wikipedia?
If you think Maradonas legacy solely relies on the world cup and that is the only thing that made him famous then Idk man, go to Argentina and speak like that and they will call you a comedian
You didnt see maradona ? Ok,but do you think you are going to have an accurate view of his career by just reading his Wikipedia?
If you think Maradonas legacy solely relies on the world cup and that is the only thing that made him famous then Idk man, go to Argentina and speak like that and they will call you a comedian
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The way you are presenting your argument tells me you simply lack the knowledge on this subject or base your argument excessively on stats, which will naturally give a distorted view to this debate.
You didnt see maradona ? Ok,but do you think you are going to have an accurate view of his career by just reading his Wikipedia?
If you think Maradonas legacy solely relies on the world cup and that is the only thing that made him famous then Idk man, go to Argentina and speak like that and they will call you a comedian
You didnt see maradona ? Ok,but do you think you are going to have an accurate view of his career by just reading his Wikipedia?
If you think Maradonas legacy solely relies on the world cup and that is the only thing that made him famous then Idk man, go to Argentina and speak like that and they will call you a comedian
^pretty much everything you mentioned^ thats not even mentioning the impact he had on Napoli and the whole city there.
Also the World cup was the crown for Diegos career, but he was already considered the worlds undisputable best player at that time, not based on stats but the full range of his abilities and by basically being a "prototype" in comparison to other players at that time.
Dude was just way ahead in so many levels and on a different planet.
Players like Maradona, Ronaldinho, Zidane, R9, Pele etc were pioneers and revolutionary in so many ways and reducing a Goat debate to a pure stats contest is a lazy way of skipping past important factors like :
degree of difficulty, team strength, historical importance , positioning on the field (comparing goals scored between a striker and a midfielder for example is just stupid) influence, leadership capabilites, how complete the player is etc and the list goes on. There are a lot of things to consider.
Anyways, this debate is never going to end and will always be discussed, but saying "anything else but Ronaldo or Messi is Nostalgia" and basing that statement purely on a certain stat is ignorant imo
Also the World cup was the crown for Diegos career, but he was already considered the worlds undisputable best player at that time, not based on stats but the full range of his abilities and by basically being a "prototype" in comparison to other players at that time.
Dude was just way ahead in so many levels and on a different planet.
Players like Maradona, Ronaldinho, Zidane, R9, Pele etc were pioneers and revolutionary in so many ways and reducing a Goat debate to a pure stats contest is a lazy way of skipping past important factors like :
degree of difficulty, team strength, historical importance , positioning on the field (comparing goals scored between a striker and a midfielder for example is just stupid) influence, leadership capabilites, how complete the player is etc and the list goes on. There are a lot of things to consider.
Anyways, this debate is never going to end and will always be discussed, but saying "anything else but Ronaldo or Messi is Nostalgia" and basing that statement purely on a certain stat is ignorant imo
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stats are meaningful and can't be ignored. as of now, cr is the undisputed king of cl, he won every major league he entered with his respective teams, won the cl with multiple teams, was the top scorer for 3 leagues, holds many individual records, won the cl 3 times in a row, the list is way too long. stats wise he's probably the best player of all time, and at least he's a good candidate for it. he's one of the best athletes to ever wear football boots, i think everyone can agree with that.
but as gordo said, everything can't be measured. maradona's influence was incredible. that '86-87 team wasn't anything special without him. look at this napoli team. only ferrara became a class player (in an other position lol), bagni and de napoli had many caps for italy, the others were totally forgettable players. like someone took sassuolo with locatelli, berardi and a bunch of nobodies and made them title contenders. only maradona could do that. i never liked his personality for obvious reasons, but on the pitch, he was simply magical.
but as gordo said, everything can't be measured. maradona's influence was incredible. that '86-87 team wasn't anything special without him. look at this napoli team. only ferrara became a class player (in an other position lol), bagni and de napoli had many caps for italy, the others were totally forgettable players. like someone took sassuolo with locatelli, berardi and a bunch of nobodies and made them title contenders. only maradona could do that. i never liked his personality for obvious reasons, but on the pitch, he was simply magical.
Would take Cafu over Alves any day. He won serie a with Roma and captained Brazil to World Cup in the process. What has Alves done outside Barcelona?
Its same thing like now people crying about Cancelo but he would be exposed in Turin cause Man city only care about his attacking qualities. Defensively Cancelo is rubbish.
Kahn and Smeichel in the 90s.
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Its same thing like now people crying about Cancelo but he would be exposed in Turin cause Man city only care about his attacking qualities. Defensively Cancelo is rubbish.
Kahn and Smeichel in the 90s.
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So you agree
Its ok. I like Zizou more than CR7, too. But thats not the debate here.
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Its ok. I like Zizou more than CR7, too. But thats not the debate here.
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Nah, it's good that he forced the move. Huge relief for the club which was under pressure financially.
He was showing signs of slowing down anyway. The only thing that sucks is the fact he left so late, otherwise we'd start the season with Vlahovic perhaps.
Things are slowly but steadily improving for us. United on the other hand...
He was showing signs of slowing down anyway. The only thing that sucks is the fact he left so late, otherwise we'd start the season with Vlahovic perhaps.
Things are slowly but steadily improving for us. United on the other hand...