Cristiano Ronaldo (104 Viewers)

rainhard

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May 5, 2004
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This dude just said Juventus is a stepping stone?
As long as you can't compete financially with the big clubs, we will be seen as stepping stone for top talents like Haaland

- We have medium capacity stadium, so medium revenue
- We have medium apparel sponsorship, we dont even get half what Real Madrid/barca, or top EPL club getting
- We have medium main kit sponsorship, we dont even get half what Real Madrid/barca, or top EPL club getting

That is the fact for those top talent, even De Ligt is actually pick us as his stepping stone with view on 150m transfer in his release clause
I never said Juventus as stepping stone club, but I just want to emphasize that is the view from top talents when they looking at us and our past history as we are not their final destination
 

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Hust

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May 29, 2005
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My summary:
-€400M isn’t to cover COVID losses. It’s to replace the €300M from 2019 which was burned up by Covid. Those funds were to be used as part of a 5 year plan (2019-2024) to fund a growth strategy.
-The total expected impact from covid is €320M from 2019-2022, so in theory this injection should provide for €380M in funds to be invested into the growth project. This is enough to pay off all of Juventus’ net debt (€350M)…it’s a shit load of cash. And it’s going to be used to grow the club not pay off their debt because Juventus usually maintains debt around those levels.

-Ronaldo leaving a year early for a transfer fee in the icing on the cake. The company would expense €90M (€60M cash from his gross wages + €30M in amortization) related to Ronaldo. That essentially disappears, lowering Juve’s cost base by €90M
-Juve’s wage bill is about €310M right now. Ronaldo was being paid €60M…that is considerable relief. Wage bill drops to €250M. Revenues will also recover somewhat this year as people are allowed back into Stadiums.

- the key is that Ronaldo didn’t provide Juventus with growth decree benefits. By electing to have his foreign income at $100k, his salary couldn’t be taxed at the lower level in conjunction with the growth decree (where 50% of income is taxable). The result? €60m in gross wages yielded €35M net. If Juve replace him with a foreign star(s), they would be able to pay €47M in net wages out of the same €60M gross.

The result: my belief is by year end, we’ll be swimming in cash. We can totally afford Haaland. Don’t think small because remember that original €300M in 2019 was to buy the next Ronaldo. Juve will try for Haaland. Perhaps they fail. But I promise they try.


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You're a freak of nature.

Thank God your a Juve fan and a member of this forum.

My brain is still processing at "400m isn't to cover COVID losses"....I should have this ingested by Monday.
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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The result: my belief is by year end, we’ll be swimming in cash. We can totally afford Haaland. Don’t think small because remember that original €300M in 2019 was to buy the next Ronaldo. Juve will try for Haaland. Perhaps they fail. But I promise they try.


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Thank you for this. I needed this today.
 

tosh_rose

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Aug 21, 2010
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Now that he's finally gone I can say that I was equally happy when we signed him and when we sold him, he did a fine job here, scored 100 goals, broke some records, a big, big player.

I guess these last days I remembered one of the reasons that made me dislike him so much in last decade and a half - his primadonna nature and primadonna acting.

Perhaps noone except for his hardcore fanboys would have cared or give a fuck if he announced his exit at the end of the season or even at the start of the preparations for the current one, his departure was inevitable - this summer or the next one, all he needed to do is to be a man and say it - I don't like it here and I want to leave, and be done with it. Say goodbye, we thank him for the goals, wish him good luck and move on with our plans and strategies accordingly..

But no, he did it in his own pussy way, 3 days before the mercato end, when no sane club would sit on the table to negotiate a sale of any of their best players so we can adequately replace him. That was a dick move that put our club in a terrible situation that could have easily been avoided if he just announced his plans at the start of the transfer window, for that alone he gets one big "fuck you" from me.

So once again, thanks for the goals, some of them were amazing, top class, I tried to like him, it's somehow refreshing that I don't need to pretend anymore, he's officially someone else's problem now..
 

Clamarc

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Sep 26, 2018
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I have strange feeling had Juve keep Pirlo he would've stayed for another year.
I think Allegri also wants him gone, for the better of the team

Was very excited when we signed him. Some memorable goals and performances
Well no more SIUUUU, thx for everything
 

Collaguazo

Pezuña Brava
Mar 4, 2012
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What a mess…

if Allegri didn’t think Ronaldo fit In his plans or the management wanted to reduce the wage bill, fine. But don’t wait until the end of the mercato to do it. We could have easily got Donnaruma and maybe another a freebie with those wages.

And if Cristiano decided to leave in just short notice, management had to put their foot down. Come out and say Ronaldo is not leaving, period. Him leaving for 20M is a joke.

Overall, I have a feeling of sadness and frustration. Eliminated against Ajax thanks to two defensive blunders and against Lyon and Porto eliminated thanks to Betancourt being Betancourt. The first two hurt even more because the final was within reach (personally think Tottenham was no match) and we missed the final 8 in Lisbon where anything could happen.

We blew it and the god damm CL is not happening anytime soon.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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Thank you Cristiano

Was very fun, that match against Atleti was amazing, one of my favourite ever. Was a real privilege to have one of the best ever do it choose our club and play for us but covid really fucked up our plans and no was the right time to seperate. It's time we return to being what Juventus is all about, hard work and team spirit. Doesn't make sense to pay him as much as we do while we are rebuilding. Grazie Cris
 
Mar 10, 2009
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I have strange feeling had Juve keep Pirlo he would've stayed for another year.
I think Allegri also wants him gone, for the better of the team

Was very excited when we signed him. Some memorable goals and performances
Well no more SIUUUU, thx for everything
Nah, that Pirlo year was a complete disaster.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Allegri wanted Ronaldo to hold up play and track back. lol Ronaldo responded with


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Allegri knows ball. Ronaldo doesn’t. Lolzz

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Just in case anyone still thinks this was a late market development, dudes been whoring himself to other clubs for a long time:

https://theathletic.com/2794203/202...n-to-manchester-united-how-the-deal-was-done/



Here, The Athletic reveals how:
  • Mendes tried all summer to get Ronaldo to United but club executives did not bite for fear of being stung and a belief Juventus would refuse to sell
  • City had fully agreed a deal with Ronaldo, who gave Juventus team-mates the impression he was joining Guardiola’s Premier League champions as recently as 8am Friday
  • There are suspicions Mendes used City’s interest to get United to the table, and claims the gazumping will have potential repercussions for future business at the Etihad
  • Ferguson has repeatedly wanted United to re-sign Ronaldo, most recently in 2019, and said that “all hell would have broken loose” had the club failed to land him now
  • Ronaldo is seen as a transformative figure at set pieces as well as elsewhere on the pitch, with United in need of a centre-forward presence amid doubts over Edinson Cavani’s future availability
  • Ronaldo is completing his medical in Lisbon and then joining up with the Portugal national team, as there was not enough time to complete the paperwork for him to play against Wolves.
For over a year now, Ronaldo has not been content with life at Juventus.

The Athletic reported earlier this year that he had in fact been offered to Paris Saint-Germain during last summer’s transfer window. PSG declined that approach, partly because much of their attention even then was focused on preparing a package to tempt Lionel Messi away from Barcelona, as the Argentinian briefly appeared to be available, but also because their president Nasser Al-Khelaifi is not as close to Mendes as he had been in the early days of Qatari rule at the Parc des Princes.

This summer, Ronaldo’s future has appeared uncertain.

On the surface, it seemed he may remain in Turin. After Lyon eliminated Juventus in the Champions League last-16 just over a year ago, club chairman Andrea Agnelli described Ronaldo as a “pillar of Juventus” and suggested any links to PSG were “mischief” on the part of journalists. Then, on July 7 this year, Agnelli presented his new executive team and again insisted there had been no indication from Ronaldo that he wished to leave.

Agnelli said: “There hasn’t been any signal on his part or that of Juventus. We’re really happy with Cristiano and as soon as he’s finished his deserved (post-European Championship) rest he’ll join up with that team for pre-season.” Ronaldo did as Agnelli suggested he would, reporting for his pre-season medical on July 26, which led to cautious optimism he would remain.

However, following PSG’s free-agent signing of his great rival Messi on August 10, speculation intensified over Ronaldo’s future.

Ten days ago, Real Madrid head coach Carlo Ancelotti took the unusual step of writing on Twitter that he had not considered bringing the player back to the Bernabeu this summer. Ronaldo then wrote on his own social media, stating his unhappiness with the manner in which he felt his name was being “played around” in the media during this transfer window.

The Athletic has learned that, shortly before these two statements, Ancelotti was made aware that Ronaldo would be open to a return to Madrid, the club he left for Juventus in 2018, and the player’s entourage were eager for him to press club president Florentino Perez into agreeing a dramatic return.

One source close to the situation said: “Cristiano was absolutely desperate to get out of Turin and into an environment where he could be happier.” Madrid were given the firm impression that Ronaldo felt he had made a grave mistake by heading to Italy.

Ancelotti, however, is a shrewd politician and he knows the buttons to press. When he returned to Madrid for a second spell as coach in June, his first meeting with Perez saw the president outline very clearly that PSG striker Kylian Mbappe would be their sole objective of this summer’s window, even if that meant sacrificing stalwart defenders Sergio Ramos and Raphael Varanein the process, and that no move for other high-profile forwards should be considered. Indeed, Ancelotti knew that Perez has previously “shut the door” on previous attempts by Ronaldo to return to Madrid.

Despite Ancelotti’s inaction, stories continued to emanate, which led to the coach denying any links on Twitter. Amid Madrid’s disinterest, Mendes made PSG aware that Ronaldo could be open to joining them, yet the French club have never entertained this prospect this summer and the suggestions that he could link up with Messi and Neymar in the French capital were only ever the figment of imaginative graphics on social media.

As Mendes scoured the market for opportunities, he fixed his gaze on Manchester City.

Around 10 days ago, City were presented with the chance to sign Ronaldo but initially declined the option, as they remained focused on Tottenham Hotspurstriker Harry Kane and, mistakenly, believed they could get a deal for the England captain over the line in this window. Indeed, The Athletic has been told that as late as last Thursday, sources in Spain were made aware that Guardiola did not want Ronaldo and, to quote a well-placed source, “had closed the door” on any possible transfer.

Yet within a week, widespread reportage made clear that Guardiola had spoken to Ronaldo to discuss where he would fit into the team and City saw Kane commit his future to Tottenham. Mendes already has a stable of clients at City, including Ederson, Ruben Dias, Bernardo Silva and Joao Cancelo, and the club were indebted to the agent for constructing a deal that saw Dias join them from Benfica last summer, while fellow defender Nicolas Otamendi headed from the Etihad to the Lisbon side.

Negotiations commenced on Monday and intensified rapidly through Tuesday.

Mendes was reported to have met with City representatives in Paris on Tuesday evening and City were, at that stage, confident a deal would be done, albeit insistent that nothing had been concluded. Indeed, a senior source at the Etihad insisted on Tuesday afternoon that City were still deliberating internally as to whether they truly wanted a player their coach appeared to have written off as a target less than a week earlier.

Those deliberations included the stylistic fit of the player and also how Ronaldo’s wages may impact dressing room harmony. However, by Tuesday night, there was an expectation both from City and representatives of Ronaldo that the player would return to Manchester but to play in light blue not United red.

Ronaldo himself is said to have told a Juventus team-mate that he expected to join City as late as Friday morning, as he arrived at training around 8am UK time.

City’s temptation was dictated by on-the-field necessity, as they require a centre-forward having not got Kane, but also the off-the-field boost the signing would give to the club’s commercial presence. Sources in the Middle East, meanwhile, suggested the decision by PSG’s Qatari owners to sign Messi would have triggered sensitivities in the United Arab Emirates, where City’s owners had long pined for the Argentinian. After missing out on Messi, there is a view that they sensed an opportunity to lay down their own marker. This would not have been the motivation for the transfer, but it would have been seen as a benefit, particularly as relations between Qatar and the UAE remain frosty, even more so than current relations between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

On Wednesday, Mendes flew to Turin and on Thursday morning, at a meeting with Juventus vice-president Pavel Nedved, their new chief executive Maurizio Arrivabene and sporting director Federico Cherubini, he made clear it was Ronaldo’s intention to leave.

The timing — five days before the end of the transfer window, and with the season already started — was not appreciated. Mendes was told any deal would be on Juventus’s terms. Ronaldo participated in an open training session but he was the first to leave and also emptied his locker. He flew out at around 2.30pm local time in Italy to Lisbon for his medical, touching down in his homeland at 4pm.

Mino Raiola, the superagent who represents Paul Pogba, was also at Juventus’s Continassa headquarters on Thursday, mostly to discuss the future of his client Wesley, a 21-year-old Juventus midfielder, but those discussions evolved into talks about the Everton forward Moise Kean, who could return to former club Juventus to replace Ronaldo.

The Portuguese returned to Turin from Lisbon and spent 40 minutes saying his farewells on Friday morning. Head coach Max Allegri confirmed he did not train and would not be involved in Saturday’s home game against Empoli after expressing his intention to leave. By then, everybody involved knew the Manchester switch had occurred and that Ronaldo would be heading to Old Trafford as the two clubs held talks over a fee.

Juventus signed Ronaldo from Madrid for €117 million in the summer of 2018. He had been in the third year of a four-year deal worth a salary of €31 million net a year. After amortisation, his book value is €28.8 million, which is why Juventus needed a fee in the region of that amount in order not to record a loss in their accounts.

City’s first wish was to pay no money as a transfer fee but it is believed they were prepared to agree a price with Juventus after talks with Mendes this week. United, meanwhile, clicked into gear, or as one source close to negotiations put it, “woke up”. Late on Thursday evening, the pressure began.

Ferguson was at the heart of the strategy. His relationship with Ronaldo is genuinely as good as the misty-eyed testimonies make out. The Scot is described as being one of the few people in the world that Ronaldo “still defers to”.

Ronaldo’s biggest appreciation was the way his former manager chose him over fellow United forward Ruud van Nistelrooy following their training ground bust-up in 2005. His compassion after Ronaldo’s father died when the player was just 20 also left a lasting bond.

United’s first call to Ronaldo came late on Thursday night and Ferguson was a “decisive factor”. He has advocated United re-signing Ronaldo since he retired as manager after the 2012-13 season, with the most recent push coming two years ago. Ferguson pressed Solskjaer to make a move for Ronaldo, who was then having difficulties at Juventus under new manager Maurizio Sarri.

Ferguson has seen wishes for United to sign other players go unfulfilled but was not about to let this opportunity go by.

On Thursday he called members of United’s board and also Mendes, with whom he shared a healthy respect, to ensure United were doing everything possible. Sources say “all hell would have broken loose” if United had missed out again.

Former United players rallied round too, and word seeped out. It was no coincidence that Derby County manager Wayne Rooney spoke so strongly that evening against ex-strike partner Ronaldo joining crosstown rivals City.

Woodward negotiated with Agnelli, the pair having grown closer during the planning for the mooted Super League scrapped this spring, and they worked swiftly to a resolution. From a United perspective, the process was smooth and efficient, and Ronaldo will even be on lower wages than he was being paid in Turin.

The United squad are ecstatic at Ronaldo’s arrival. There is a belief he can change the dynamic of the dressing room with his fastidious approach and peerless trophy collection. “He will up the levels,” says a source close to the players. “He’s like Mr Miyagi in The Karate Kid — an expert of his craft. As a young lad, you will be in awe.”

An industry insider said United had to act to stop Ronaldo going to City. “The Glazers went and signed Tom Brady for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (last summer) and won the Super Bowl (in the legendary quarterback’s debut season). As Man United’s owners, you have to be shown to be putting respect on the club’s name — ‘We are competitive, we’re not letting him go there’.”

There may be collateral. Those with knowledge of the football business believe the relationship between Mendes and City will be impaired by this bruising episode.

Conversely, United were internally worried about Ronaldo going to the Etihad from a legacy perspective. They might have been forced to airbrush him from the club’s history in some ways were he to have made waves on the other side of Manchester.

United believe that even at 36, and turning 37 in February, Ronaldo can have a real impact for them on the pitch. There are doubts about Cavani’s availability this season due to his insistence on playing for Uruguay, who have World Cup qualifiers next month and in October and November, and the COVID-19 quarantine on returning to the UK that those trips to South America would currently entail, while Anthony Martial was once more an ineffective presence up front in last weekend’s draw with Southampton.

Ronaldo, with his phenomenal aerial ability, is viewed as providing Solskjaer with an asset in either box and United believe he has many more years at the top level despite his age.

It is a homecoming to cherish for United fans but club sources say this transfer is not about reliving the past.

They want to forge new memories.
 
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Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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I find it quite humorous that after all our almost-but-not-really runs at the CL title we recruited what was on paper the no. 1 player in the world and yet it barely made a difference.

Ask yourself this: why do some of the biggest companies in the world who have all the resources and can afford to hire practically any of the most accomplished and most experienced experts still somehow make one blunder after the other? Because that's how I see Juve right now.
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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I find it quite humorous that after all our almost-but-not-really runs at the CL title we recruited what was on paper the no. 1 player in the world and yet it barely made a difference.

Ask yourself this: why do some of the biggest companies in the world who have all the resources and can afford to hire practically any of the most accomplished and most experienced experts still somehow make one blunder after the other? Because that's how I see Juve right now.
in*er won the treble after they sold ibra.

Signing a Ronaldo can be great if the rest of the team is complete, not at the expense of it (and not when certain coaches can't figure out how your biggest stars should coexist together). Unfortunately, rona made sure the former didn't happen and the latter did.
 

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