Cristiano Ronaldo (151 Viewers)

Lapa

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Sep 29, 2008
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Ability-wise best footballer I have ever seen is Messi. He is the only player in the history of the game who is top 5 of all time in each of the three major categories:

1. Goalscoring
2. Dribbling
3. Playmaking

There have been lots of players who were elite in one category, a few legends who were elite in two categories, but only Messi ticks all three boxes.

Now when you get look at GOAT as a whole it becomes a lot more complicated because you have to take everything into account. Ability, trophies won, personality, leadership, impact, etc...

Too open-ended to answer
Ale did all those and he did it better than Messi. :stuckup:
 

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Nedved96

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Sep 1, 2017
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That’s good to know at least

I really don’t care about the melodrama that comes along with football for the most part but I’m glad this was cleared up.

I’d be more concerned by the fact that CR7 did not have a particularly good game, than the fact that he tossed his shirt to some ballboy.
 

Dino_mk

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Sep 5, 2007
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...... And of course, how do I even compare these guys with Maradona, Pelle and other older players that I haven't seen? Cannot be properly done. There is no GOAT.
And not only because you haven't seen them play but the way of defending and butchering that was allowed on the old generation of players doesn't give equal playing conditions for comparing stats.
Today's primadonas like Messi, Neymar, Cristiano are protected by the refs and allowed to pump the stats up.
Cristiano and Messi playing in top form for 20 years is to be admired but not be kicked 15 times during a single game helps a lot.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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And not only because you haven't seen them play but the way of defending and butchering that was allowed on the old generation of players doesn't give equal playing conditions for comparing stats.
Today's primadonas like Messi, Neymar, Cristiano are protected by the refs and allowed to pump the stats up.
Cristiano and Messi playing in top form for 20 years is to be admired but not be kicked 15 times during a single game helps a lot.
True. It used to be almost impossible to get a red card in the old days.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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His fanboys will defend his actions - Oh, he loves the shirt, he's a born winner and was angry because he wants to win so much. These are the same fanboys that will say the complete opposite had another player committed the same action.

Hypocrites!
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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His fanboys will defend his actions - Oh, he loves the shirt, he's a born winner and was angry because he wants to win so much. These are the same fanboys that will say the complete opposite had another player committed the same action.

Hypocrites!
? he threw his shirt to a ball boy who asked for it... what the fuck are you rambling about?
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I've only ever seen post ACL Del Piero and it was still inspirational as fuck both on and off the pitch
Oh, he was still fucking magic, a wizard with the ball. But that 97-98 Del Piero at 22-23 years old would have been contender for greatest of all time if he had continued like that. He never had the same speed and agility post-tear, I think he’s talked about it iirc, improving in other ways to make up for it... he’s a genius and all-time great regardless, but combining his technical wizardry with his pre-injury athleticism and I think he would have kept up those 30+ goal seasons for years to come. And we’d definitely have more CL titles right now. :sigh:
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Fuckin ACL has cost the world two potentially GOAT careers of ADP and R9. The real El Clasico couldve been Juve-Inter and Serie A the richest league.

Impossible to know what else couldve been but I guess we shall be grateful for whatever we did get.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
40,177
? he threw his shirt to a ball boy who asked for it... what the fuck are you rambling about?
Really? You believe that storyline? Someone who was actually at the stadium and saw the incident reported otherwise. It was on Twitter I think, if you're interested in digging it up.

All I'm saying is let's not be hypocrites and find excuses and justification when one player behaves in an unbecoming fashion and then proceed to chastise another player when he does the same thing.

I'm not saying you're a hypocrite, but I do know a few members who would flip the script to suit their narrative.
 

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