Cristiano Ronaldo (111 Viewers)

Nedved96

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Sep 1, 2017
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18/19 looked like our best shot, if we had some players available for the Ajax games, that tie was definitely doable. After that we would have tp beat two of Tottenham, Pool or barca. Not saying we would have won but looking at the post Max era, that might have been our only shot with Ronaldo
We would have lost the final against Liverpool in my opinion. The difference in athleticism between the two teams would be too large.

Liverpool circa 2019 was like a team full of Nedveds, Vidals, and Chiesas. Our slow ass team would be killed.

The 2017 final hurts the most in my view. If only we somehow managed to get ahead in the first half of that game, I think we’d have a decent chance at parking the bus and keeping Madrid out.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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We would have lost the final against Liverpool in my opinion. The difference in athleticism between the two teams would be too large.

Liverpool circa 2019 was like a team full of Nedveds, Vidals, and Chiesas. Our slow ass team would be killed.

The 2017 final hurts the most in my view. If only we somehow managed to get ahead in the first half of that game, I think we’d have a decent chance at parking the bus and keeping Madrid out.
I think we beat them, they didn't play a team like us that could negate their counterattacking and running with sitting back. Plus Max got Klopps number
 

BayernFan

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Feb 17, 2016
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But bayern Munich management does things differently like sacking Kovac in the early part of the season despite his domestic double or moving on the old guard like robben and ribery
It's because we played like utter garbage and drew against minnows all the time, on top of that we played like cowards at home against Liverpool, something that cannot be accepted in a club like Bayern Munich where it's always expected you're taking the game to the opponent and put them under pressure - Kovac did none of this.

You can argue he might have been right about doing this against Liverpool in 2019, but like said, it's not accepted in Bayern to have this approach.

Another thing is he said "you can't drive 200 kmh on the Autobahn when your car only goes to 100", what a shithead. It took Flick a few months to go 300 with these same players. No wonder he lost the dressing room eventually.

I said it before but Juve got a different approach to football than us and there's no right or wrong when it comes to philosophy. But I certainly prefer the type of football we play, no offence.

This Bayern style of football started under van Gaal as I remember it, after that it just became the way for us.

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Thats all we ask, all we ask is that our club prioritiezes it instead of getting stuck in comfort zone and being happy with domestic success. Kovac won the Bundesliga but everyone and their mother knew he wasnt enough. Same for Guardiola.
I guess it's because we finally won the Treble in 2013, else I don't think many would've complained about Pep. But him not reaching at least one final with those players was a massive failure.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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If no one gives a shit about the past, why the fuck are we under such huge pressure in CL?

Clearly it has an effect.
Going from the strongest team amongst competition in the league (speaking relative to the last few seasons while we were in them) to at best equal or the underdog would create pressure too, wouldn't you say?
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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Its not it, it's the 26 winless years and lost finals record IMO.
Next season then are you expecting the spirit of Didier Drogba to come and possess Giroud and propel them to win the Champions League? Or perhaps that "big European team" of yours Milan will channel Maldini and concede nothing the whole tournament? It makes absolutely no sense. What was Liverpool winning the league last season then? Some sort of sign of the apocalypse? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Imagine being a new Juventus player about to play a CL match. "Oh sorry you have to give up, we haven't won this for 26 years." Fucking, so?
 

Adrian

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Jan 31, 2003
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The cl has brought pressure on the club for obvious reasons over the past decade. Now we have the added pressure of bringing the scudetto back to turin.

What I find odd is how is how the 5 lost cl finals are spoken about. We were better than Dortmund and real when we lost to them..we were better than milan in that cl loss as well. So those 3 losses hurt most. But against barca and real under allegri we were not the best team. We lost to the two best teams probably in cl history. We haven't been the best team in europe for 16 years...yet this pressure builds up each season for us to be successful in the CL. I just dont get it.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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It can also become too big an obsession, just saying.

Winning the CL is hardly something you can plan, you can only prepare as good as possible and get the right team. Only one club can win it every year, all the other 5-10 top clubs will be dissapointed it wasn't them.
The issue isn't winning it it's the fact we're getting knocked out by chumps.
Btw you're kinda rubbing it in being a Bayern fan whilst saying what you say. :(

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Next season then are you expecting the spirit of Didier Drogba to come and possess Giroud and propel them to win the Champions League? Or perhaps that "big European team" of yours Milan will channel Maldini and concede nothing the whole tournament? It makes absolutely no sense. What was Liverpool winning the league last season then? Some sort of sign of the apocalypse? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Imagine being a new Juventus player about to play a CL match. "Oh sorry you have to give up, we haven't won this for 26 years." Fucking, so?
We're becoming the England of club football.
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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The cl has brought pressure on the club for obvious reasons over the past decade. Now we have the added pressure of bringing the scudetto back to turin.

What I find odd is how is how the 5 lost cl finals are spoken about. We were better than Dortmund and real when we lost to them..we were better than milan in that cl loss as well. So those 3 losses hurt most. But against barca and real under allegri we were not the best team. We lost to the two best teams probably in cl history. We haven't been the best team in europe for 16 years...yet this pressure builds up each season for us to be successful in the CL. I just dont get it.
And we got to those finals just like that.

Without even being serious about the CL.

It's just how we roll at JJ.

We don't give a rats ass, but still make it to CL finals somehow.

Now imagine we REALLY tried to win them instead af half-assing around in them.

But instead - we only focus on Serie-A.

It could be so easy :depressed:
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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And we got to those finals just like that.

Without even being serious about the CL.

It's just how we roll at JJ.

We don't give a rats ass, but still make it to CL finals somehow.

Now imagine we REALLY tried to win them instead af half-assing around in them.

But instead - we only focus on Serie-A.

It could be so easy :depressed:
The defeatist attitude on this forum any time we lose is the most irritating thing ever.

Disjointed, unbalanced, poorly planned squad with rookie coach gets knocked out of one of the most difficult competitions on the face of the Earth to squad that plays as a unit. Stop the presses and panic.
 

BayernFan

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Feb 17, 2016
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The issue isn't winning it it's the fact we're getting knocked out by chumps.
Btw you're kinda rubbing it in being a Bayern fan whilst saying what you say. :(

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We're becoming the England of club football.
Just remember, when we won it in 1976 it took us 25 years before we won it again in 2001. Yeah, we won the UEFA Cup in 1996, but for Bayern was it important to win the European Cup again. 3 lost finals and we lost in the most bizarre way in 1999, sometimes things like that just happen.

Juve are not the only club who had to wait many years between their titles in Europe, let me give you some examples.

Bayern 1976-2001
Real 1966-1998
Liverpool 1984-2005
United 1968-1999
Milan 1969-1989

There's a clear pattern, this trophy is so hard to win. Now United last won it in 2008 and Milan 2007 and my guess is, especially Milan won't challenge for it in this decade.
 

Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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We have to consistently win Serie A for the money to build a better team over time, it's also about having a winning mentality. We just keep building, like we say every year a solid midfielder and we can go toe to toe with the best.

It's important to stay relevant, Inter disappeared after their treble while the better teams maybe didn't win but give themselves a shot each year. I don't want a CL if it means we disappear altogether.
 

sgjuveboy

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Oct 31, 2012
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We have to consistently win Serie A for the money to build a better team over time, it's also about having a winning mentality. We just keep building, like we say every year a solid midfielder and we can go toe to toe with the best.

It's important to stay relevant, Inter disappeared after their treble while the better teams maybe didn't win but give themselves a shot each year. I don't want a CL if it means we disappear altogether.
Lololol dream on.
By the team we build a midfield up to Conte era standard, CR7 would have left and we will be only able to afford invisible strikers like Matri and Llorente.
 

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