Cristiano Ronaldo (101 Viewers)

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Bro, we both know you'd let Ronaldo go in on you with no lube for a few hundred pesos. :snoop:

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Does Ronaldo not deserve the benefit of the doubt that accused are supposed to be afforded in civilized societies?

I have sympathy for victims of sexual assault but this metoo era "believe the victim at all costs in spite of evidence" is ridiculous. If Ronaldo were accused of any other crime would you not agree that he deserves his say before being thrown under the bus? Sexual assault is not different, or at least it should not be.

Sexual assault victims are not holier than thou. Of course women do lie about being raped by men like Ronaldo. Simple. He is full of money and would rather pay, even if the accusations are totally false, then have it get out publicly.
Add to that, although it's not the case here, but indicative of the bullshit of the #metoo movement in general, is this equating of even the most minor forms of harassment (or even nothing at all) with sexual assault/rape.

When you come across MeToo posts about how a guy asked a girl out at work and it made her feel uncomfortable in her work place. So much cringe.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Bro, we both know you'd let Ronaldo go in on you with no lube for a few hundred pesos. :snoop:

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Add to that, although it's not the case here, but indicative of the bullshit of the #metoo movement in general, is this equating of even the most minor forms of harassment (or even nothing at all) with sexual assault/rape.

When you come across MeToo posts about how a guy asked a girl out at work and it made her feel uncomfortable in her work place. So much cringe.
I’m curious what makes you say I’ve been picking on him ever since we signed him tho.
 

Tak!

Senior Member
Jun 23, 2011
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Yes and a night of partying all over him and ending up in his hotel is a good indication of her intent.

Is that what happened? If so were on the same page. The rest of your post is just some emotional mumbo jumbo.
I do not care of intent at some point or not. If she later say no that means no. They are obviously not on the same page. The idea of intent prior to saying no is just as much a jumbo. It is made up by men who refuse to take a different perspective. I will not try to persuade you, but I require myself to show my view.

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Does Ronaldo not deserve the benefit of the doubt that accused are supposed to be afforded in civilized societies?

I have sympathy for victims of sexual assault but this metoo era "believe the victim at all costs in spite of evidence" is ridiculous. If Ronaldo were accused of any other crime would you not agree that he deserves his say before being thrown under the bus? Sexual assault is not different, or at least it should not be.

Sexual assault victims are not holier than thou. Of course women do lie about being raped by men like Ronaldo. Simple. He is full of money and would rather pay, even if the accusations are totally false, then have it get out publicly.
That is not what the #metoo era is about and no one has ever claimed so. If someone rides the wave, sure, that always happens. The #metoo era is about equality and tries to show small and big discremenencies going on from the dark alley to the every day life. Trying to shed light to change our perspective.

Sure, whatever, at this point I am too upset and tired.

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What's what? Even if she missed the chance to make it clear all night until they got to his room and decided and said at the end of the night in his room she's not down for it but still got raped, what's her case exactly?
 

Juvenann

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Sep 3, 2018
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Between the sayings of Emre and this, what a image are they giving to the team. But Ronaldo's thing is actually much more serious, so I hope it's a lie. In the world there are violators and interested women, so until there's no proof we can't put our hands on fire for anyone. I repeat, I hope it's a lie. And yes, if a person says no, it's a violation.
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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I do not care of intent at some point or not. If she later say no that means no. They are obviously not on the same page. The idea of intent prior to saying no is just as much a jumbo. It is made up by men who refuse to take a different perspective. I will not try to persuade you, but I require myself to show my view.

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That is not what the #metoo era is about and no one has ever claimed so. If someone rides the wave, sure, that always happens. The #metoo era is about equality and tries to show small and big discremenencies going on from the dark alley to the every day life. Trying to shed light to change our perspective.

Sure, whatever, at this point I am too upset and tired.

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Its not what metoo is about? Have any of these big celebs (bar maybe Cosby) who are part of this been actually convicted of anything? have most of them even had a day in court? Because they sure do seem to have their careers and lives destroyed...

I understand the necessity. I absolutely believe the entertainment industry is full of predators and desperate vulnerable attractive young girls but being accused is not at all the same as being guilty and its worrying that so many people, who would in other circumstances than sexual assault, don't get this. Being simply accused of something sexually inappropriate is now enough to ruin someone regardless of whether it happened or how much evidence there is that it didn't happen. Just the accusation is enough of a stain.

If you can't grasp how fucked up that is then it is hard to take your opinion on the matter seriously
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
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I do not care of intent at some point or not. If she later say no that means no. They are obviously not on the same page. The idea of intent prior to saying no is just as much a jumbo. It is made up by men who refuse to take a different perspective. I will not try to persuade you, but I require myself to show my view.
It is not, otherwise the law will be abused. I just don't find her refusal or Ronaldo's persistence as strong as you do.
 

Tak!

Senior Member
Jun 23, 2011
4,193
Its not what metoo is about? Have any of these big celebs (bar maybe Cosby) who are part of this been actually convicted of anything? have most of them even had a day in court? Because they sure do seem to have their careers and lives destroyed...
About and consequences are separate things. You asked what it was about. Regarding these cases, I have not followed the allegations or the court rulings. As I implied and tried to say on some posts earlier. To be it is more important to switch head sets/perspectives because that is how we deal with inequality long-term. Of course I would feel bad if someone innocent gets destroyed, but that was not what I was on about. So far it seems Ronaldo is guilty and as I repeat, for everyone's sake, I hope not. As I have also said, my door is still slightly open given I want a court ruling in this case. He is indeed innocent until proven guilty but the evidence suggests otherwise. Too upset to make a more in-depth analysis at this moment.

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It is not, otherwise the law will be abused. I just don't find her refusal or Ronaldo's persistence as strong as you do.
Ok. So the next time a women refuses you but showed interest earlier, you'll just tell her that it is ok, she wanted it earlier. I doubt my wife would forgive me if I did something like that to her.
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,721
I do not care of intent at some point or not. If she later say no that means no. They are obviously not on the same page. The idea of intent prior to saying no is just as much a jumbo. It is made up by men who refuse to take a different perspective. I will not try to persuade you, but I require myself to show my view.

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That is not what the #metoo era is about and no one has ever claimed so. If someone rides the wave, sure, that always happens. The #metoo era is about equality and tries to show small and big discremenencies going on from the dark alley to the every day life. Trying to shed light to change our perspective.

Sure, whatever, at this point I am too upset and tired.

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Please don't rephrase my quote on this subject.
 

Tak!

Senior Member
Jun 23, 2011
4,193
Please don't rephrase my quote on this subject.
Yeah, in hindsight that was out of order, I am sorry and it won't happen again. I wanted to show my perspective but it is a sensitive subject and I put you under the wrong spotlight. Once again, sorry.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
About and consequences are separate things. You asked what it was about. Regarding these cases, I have not followed the allegations or the court rulings. As I implied and tried to say on some posts earlier. To be it is more important to switch head sets/perspectives because that is how we deal with inequality long-term. Of course I would feel bad if someone innocent gets destroyed, but that was not what I was on about. So far it seems Ronaldo is guilty and as I repeat, for everyone's sake, I hope not. As I have also said, my door is still slightly open given I want a court ruling in this case. He is indeed innocent until proven guilty but the evidence suggests otherwise. Too upset to make a more in-depth analysis at this moment.

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Ok. So the next time a women refuses you but showed interest earlier, you'll just tell her that it is ok, she wanted it earlier. I doubt my wife would forgive me if I did something like that to her.
@GordoDeCentral - I can’t see you allowing a Tuz member calling a Juve player guilty of rape despite not being convincted.

And it doesn’t matter what the Metoo was meant to be out. It has evolved to about everything women could feel offended about - also cases where no harm was done at all.
 

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