Cristiano Giuntoli (102 Viewers)

Rockets

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2022
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Giuntoli Deal #28
  • Player: Matías Soulé
  • Type: permanent sale
  • To: Roma
  • Detail: €25.6m transfer fee payable in four financial years, with bonuses up to €4m.
  • Note: 10% future sale, €2m easy add-ons and €2m difficult according to Romano.
Grade: C-
Comment:
Football wise we should keep him, give him a chance. But we have to do it for profit on the books. It's a sad deal.
 

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Rockets

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Jul 26, 2022
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Giuntoli Deal #29
  • Player: Dean Huijsen
  • Type: permanent sale
  • To: Bournemouth
  • Detail: €15.2m transfer fee payable in five financial years, with bonuses up to €3m.
  • Note: Multiple sources said Juve will receive a percentage of the player's future sale.
Grade: B
Comment:
If we use the money to secure the deal with Nice for Todibo, it's a wise move. Probably because at this stage we don't have time for Huijsen to fully develop and we need more established player when it comes to centre back.
 

MrMonkey

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2017
4,282
So these are the 8 currently that Giuntoli needs to unload as per Motta.
Chiesa, Tek, Wes, Rugani, MDS, Kostic, Caviglia and Arthur. The first 3 being most important with those wages we don't want to pay.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,757
what was the point of renewing Rugani and MDS they're going off on their own. Just like Sandro.
Why can't we keep Rugani as back up?
I don't understand why not renewing Chiesa. You either keep or sell now you're gifting him off.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,984
Giuntoli Deal #29
  • Player: Dean Huijsen
  • Type: permanent sale
  • To: Bournemouth
  • Detail: €15.2m transfer fee payable in five financial years, with bonuses up to €3m.
  • Note: Multiple sources said Juve will receive a percentage of the player's future sale.
Grade: B
Comment:
If we use the money to secure the deal with Nice for Todibo, it's a wise move. Probably because at this stage we don't have time for Huijsen to fully develop and we need more established player when it comes to centre back.
There are people here who said HugeSuck would go for 30M. What happened?
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,585
iirc his contract was about to expire this summer, and he's been in our books for ~a decade lol, so his book value was close to 0 either way. we renewed him for two reasons: to lower his wages for the then ongoing season, so to save on cash flow, and i think the club thought that he was a useful squad player (which is funny because the renewal happened when allegri was fired and motta was all but confirmed, so they might have just asked him whether he wanted to keep rugani or not)
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,285
What benefit is there in publicly banishing all these players, i.e. the ones on the shitlist?

We just lost any leverage we had in the mercato.

Everyone knows Juventus is desperate as fuck now. We'll end up selling to our closest rivals for a bargain price.
Juve these days simply loves it slow and painful.

We're a spineless club for many years now. And I'm not talking only about Mercato.
 

JuveJay

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Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,903
But is that the real story though? Who would give him more money? Inter, or Napoli? Or Roma like Dybala who ended up getting less. We obviously don't have the full picture here.
Why is it not the full story? This is months old news now, he wanted more than we offered.

The other stuff about Motta doesn't want is just fluff, the club has already made a decision.

Personally I hope he ends up looking like a prat like Dybala and signs somewhere for less money. Maybe his agent is advising him to sit out his contract for the big salary and freebie signing on fee, but that would be a bit clownish for who I considered a serious player. I think he and his team took a gamble thinking he'd have loads of interest but it hasn't really materialised, as of yet at least.
 

magician

Junior Member
Oct 22, 2022
350
What benefit is there in publicly banishing all these players, i.e. the ones on the shitlist?

We just lost any leverage we had in the mercato.

Everyone knows Juventus is desperate as fuck now. We'll end up selling to our closest rivals for a bargain price.
The benefit is mostly internal, as for our players getting undervalued, I'm sorry to say but from my point of view it's partly also the club's inability to change its outdated DNA that puts flair and fancy as the distant 2nd from its identity as a club next to winning.

The club's biggest recent legends are a goal keeper, defenders and the dying breed deep lying playmaker.

Compare that to other big clubs where flair and fancy players are their recent top legends.

It's not THE reason but I believe such a thing plays a part in it...

It was made worse by the reign of conte, allegri, the type of coaches that also still embodies the old Italian catenaccio DNA, pragmatism and their aversion of modern flair and fancy football + players.

And made even worse still with Allegri's 2nd reign... We all have seen it ourselves, of course outsiders would look at our players and think they should be utter cheap or aren't interested at all, since they all performed one of the worst shit ever in top level pro football.

But even during the height of Allegri's 1st reign, hardly any of our players were highly rated, even Pogba, had he not an ex manure player, I bet he wouldn't had his actual sale value.

And for that I also say that everybody on the management side also failed at that, from Marotta to Giuntoli, they all mostly failed to bring or provide the team with modern flair and fancy type of players.

It doesn't help that the whole Italian football still operates on a similar mindset, as I asked in the other thread, the best Italian winger is a guy from like half a CENTURY ago, lol, compared to the reality that wingers are the superstar position in the sport currently at such that recent GOAT debate has been revolved around the 2 players who made their name playing as wingers. (Mind you, it's such a debate that goes beyond the sport as well)

Yet this club and the country it's in, aren't even looking interested in cultivating such kind of players. It's in such a situation that a player like Chiesa could even have a thought that he's some sort of the current top elite of his position or something.

Marketing is another factor obviously, but you can only market Buffon to a height that would always lower than even a clownish player like Neymar.

Not conceding despite having 10% possession and was against 50 shots on goal will never have the same marketing effect as scoring a normal hattrick.

/rant.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
Why is it not the full story? This is months old news now, he wanted more than we offered.

The other stuff about Motta doesn't want is just fluff, the club has already made a decision.

Personally I hope he ends up looking like a prat like Dybala and signs somewhere for less money. Maybe his agent is advising him to sit out his contract for the big salary and freebie signing on fee, but that would be a bit clownish for who I considered a serious player. I think he and his team took a gamble thinking he'd have loads of interest but it hasn't really materialised, as of yet at least.
I'm more interested about what Chiesa's team is thinking here. I don't think our management have done the wrong thing and like you I don't believe Motta doesn't want him. I just don't understand what they're trying to do here by not signing. Why is Chiesa risking becoming another Dybala and make less money? Inter, Napoli or Roma is not going to offer more. I don't even think Tottenham would offer more either. The market is looking bleak for him right now.
 

athas

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2007
576
I'm more interested about what Chiesa's team is thinking here. I don't think our management have done the wrong thing and like you I don't believe Motta doesn't want him. I just don't understand what they're trying to do here by not signing. Why is Chiesa risking becoming another Dybala and make less money? Inter, Napoli or Roma is not going to offer more. I don't even think Tottenham would offer more either. The market is looking bleak for him right now.
I don't know Chiesa's intention. But here is one scenario:

Chiesa's agent meets him: "Look, boy, let's discuss."

"I've just googled some basic accounting. It seems your cost per year is near 24M. It's a lot, man. There's no way Juve can buy a replacement before selling you first. So here's the plan."

"We refuse every offer, drag this on. In the end, they'll panic. Best scenario, they're afraid to lose you for free, and renew the contract on our terms. If not, then they can't buy anyone and have to re-introduce you into the squad again. If you have a good year, we would seek some big offers. If so-so year, err, then we have, well, a nice friend (doing a one-eye movement) already agreed to take us. Easy, right? We are in control here"

That's just an imaginary scenario from me. But there's is a fact that in Cherubini's leak, he talked about Chiesa won't stay at Juve for a long time because his entourage always seeks more money.
 

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