Cristian Pasquato (8 Viewers)

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
Thats another topic here. We are talking about a logic move when hours before the window closes there are 6 players playing on the wing - Krasic, Elia, Giacc, Estigarribia, Pepe and Pasquato. Its clear as a day that first one is a sure starter, the next three we signed this summer, one to be a LW starter and rest as a back-up, Pepe would be the player we try to sell and when we failed, Cristian was the only one left to send away. No need to say that if Pepe agreed to go to Zenit, Pasquato would have stayed with us.

I mean come on, damn it, you have to be the dumbest person in the world to let one of your most promising youngsters watch most of Juve`s games in the stands (as he wont even make the bench if there is no injury crisis in the team) and only train with the first squad than to give him a chance to play regularly and show what he is capable of.
Well said.
 

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Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
Dude, I dont like Elia much, but much much rather see him as the fixture in LW then Pasquato, who isnt a winger btw, was just used there due to lack of options. Estigarribia I dont know much of, but atleast winger is his real position.
All other beings equal, yeah, maybe Elia is a better permanent option for the LW. But seeing as we already had Pasquato, I am against us paying €10m for a player when there isn't a clear difference in quality between the two. Either we go for the quality or stick with what we have. Elia is a waste of money and squad space.
 

LowLife

Senior Member
Jan 7, 2011
4,967
Thats one motherfucking good question. I honestly want to know what went down in the meeting they decided on it, watched some footage of him and said "I want that baller, yo!".
Seriously I don't know who to blame, lets say he was on DelNeri's plans but he left, we had Conte by then. We had option to buy, we could have just let him go back to Udinese. We always do big favors to teams who screw us up.

I`m sorry, this is a question that I can`t answer...
Well, actually I can, but now a year later it would seem pretty funny and hilarious...
Why would it be funny, it's not like he is going to surprise us. ohh I forgot he can play in different positions. Unless we move him to RB as Lich replacement.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,833
No clear difference between Elia and Pasquato?

Elia played meaningful minutes in the fucking World Cup for the runners up and was Dutch youngster of the year. This is in a country that produces players as well, not Italy.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
First, there, Pasquato is NOT a winger, and regardless of how I criticize Elia, he is way safer choice then then Pasquato to bank on as LW, obviously more talented/accomplished. For example, ask yourself this, what have you gauged to say they are the same quality? Pasquato, pre-season games against low level oppostion, he looked decent and I would been happy if they gave him a squad role, but thats it. Elia? He impressed me in Twente, and some games for Dutch NT. All in all, in a way that says defenitely a difference between them.

And as I said, they dont even play in same position, Pasquato isnt a true winger, more of a emergency option. It sucks he isnt given a chance, but dont get ahead of yourselves and exaggerate and overhype. Bit baffling the conclusions you come with.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
First, there, Pasquato is NOT a winger, and regardless of how I criticize Elia, he is way safer choice then then Pasquato to bank on as LW, obviously more talented/accomplished. For example, ask yourself this, what have you gauged to say they are the same quality? Pasquato, pre-season games against low level oppostion, he looked decent and I would been happy if they gave him a squad role, but thats it. Elia? He impressed me in Twente, and some games for Dutch NT. All in all, in a way that says defenitely a difference between them.

And as I said, they dont even play in same position, Pasquato isnt a true winger, more of a emergency option. It sucks he isnt given a chance, but dont get ahead of yourselves and exaggerate and overhype. Bit baffling the conclusions you come with.
What I said, is that the difference is not a €10m difference, i.e. useless transfer. Go for quality or don't go for quality but don't pay €10m for non-quality.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
Simply put, if Pasquato wasnt a Juve youth product, or was even from another country, and had the same track record he has right now, experience in Serie B/2nd division player who hopes for more, would any of you signed him? Over Elia? I know there is a difference when he is already ours and easier to give a chance. But I'm hypothetically saying this scenario because, there is no way you preferred or said he is same level as Elia, in a position that isnt even his main position.
 

tosh_rose

Senior Member
Aug 21, 2010
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Why would it be funny, it's not like he is going to surprise us. ohh I forgot he can play in different positions. Unless we move him to RB as Lich replacement.
Well, I mean last year I kinda understand Marotta`s idea with him. I mean, we signed him just before the World Cup, he was in Italy`s team, and one of the players who were not exactly well known all around the world and playing for a big big club, so maybe, maybe he (Marotta) was expecting a good performance from Italy and from Pepe too, (as he made a decent season with Udinese in Serie A and earned his place in the national team), which would have made his price rise up, so Beppe quickly took him before someone else (hahaha, I know how this sounds like today).

But, in reality, Italy failed, Pepe failed, season started and except from 5-6 very very good games for Juve, he did not make something remarkable with us. And 5-6 very good games and another 5-6 good and decent is a nice record for a back-up (squad) player, but no way good enough for a starter, which Pepe was considered by coach and board.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
Simply put, if Pasquato wasnt a Juve youth product, or was even from another country, and had the same track record he has right now, experience in Serie B/2nd division player who hopes for more, would any of you signed him? Over Elia? I know there is a difference when he is already ours and easier to give a chance. But I'm hypothetically saying this scenario because, there is no way you preferred or said he is same level as Elia, in a position that isnt even his main position.
Read again. I did not say "same level". I said not a €10m difference.

And no, I don't care if he's Italian or Guyanese.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
What I said, is that the difference is not a €10m difference, i.e. useless transfer. Go for quality or don't go for quality but don't pay €10m for non-quality.
So you would preferred if we had started this season as Pasquato as the main option for our LW position? (saved the 10m? for what?) Really? That tosh poster said it well, criticise the boards decisionmaking is understandable, and like say maybe kept him as backup before signing backup options, or selling Pepe and keeping him. But risk starting the season as him being considered our main opion in LW? Based on what? Besides blind hope.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,833
What is your point?

Italy won that WC, Holland didn't win theirs. Do I really have to go through every WC finalist squad in history to show you how ridiculous your point is?
You want to start an unproven kid after watching a couple preseason games. And you are calling my point ridiculous.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
So you would preferred if we had started this season as Pasquato as the main option for our LW position? (saved the 10m? for what?) Really? That tosh poster said it well, criticise the boards decisionmaking is understandable, and like say maybe kept him as backup before signing backup options, or selling Pepe and keeping him. But risk starting the season as him being considered our main opion in LW? Based on what? Besides blind hope.
Not that I'd like Pasquato as our main option, no. Maybe you think Elia is a safe-option; I don't. I think he's gonna flop (obviously I hope otherwise). So it's not like we went for Elia because he's a proven player who will likely give us a solid season. He's less of a risk than Pasquato, but we still paid 10m on a big gamble.
 

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