Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (60 Viewers)
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What I don't understand is why non-vaccinated people who get sick go to the hospital.
Suddenly they trust the doctor who told them to get the vaccine.
Why do they consider this person an expert on treating their disease, but an idiot and a fool on preventing it?
Apart from stupid, they're also weak. All it takes is for them to get sick.
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Suddenly they trust the doctor who told them to get the vaccine.
Why do they consider this person an expert on treating their disease, but an idiot and a fool on preventing it?
Apart from stupid, they're also weak. All it takes is for them to get sick.
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Those people loudly proclaiming they should not need vaccination because “I have a strong immune system that will easily deal with Covid if i get it.”
If they are one of the unlucky ones that gets seriously ill with Covid, stay out of the hospital. Prove the strength of that immune system. Stick to your guns and show us all that Covid is no big deal, no worse than the seasonal flu.
Unfortunately, we all know they immediately tuck tail and race to the hospital the moment they get ill. To get treated by those same doctors that they are claiming have been bribed or coerced into supporting vaccination.
Those people loudly proclaiming they should not need vaccination because “I have a strong immune system that will easily deal with Covid if i get it.”
If they are one of the unlucky ones that gets seriously ill with Covid, stay out of the hospital. Prove the strength of that immune system. Stick to your guns and show us all that Covid is no big deal, no worse than the seasonal flu.
Unfortunately, we all know they immediately tuck tail and race to the hospital the moment they get ill. To get treated by those same doctors that they are claiming have been bribed or coerced into supporting vaccination.
there’s a whole subreddit dedicated to people like that
https://www.reddit.com/r/hermancainaward.compact
https://www.reddit.com/r/hermancainaward.compact
You think people are rational, which is your fatal flaw here. Most people aren't homo economicus. We as a species are enamored with batsh*t crazy stuff all the time. How else to you explain people who donate a large portion of their savings and engage in strange rituals with corpses nailed to the wall in support of pedophilies?
My fundamental problem with mandates is actually that they tend to backfire in Western countries. We've had research on this published in June, but nobody is paying attention:
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/25/e2104912118
Propaganda? Well, government-owned media, absolutely. Check anything with a .cn domain.
But in most cases media is a business. Its job is to make you read more and consume more things so people can sell you crap. That's it. It's not even propaganda.
If you understand those mechanics, everything aligns. Facebook is really no different and hardly new in that regard.
I think anyone who uses the phrase "end this pandemic" or the term "post-pandemic" has some flawed assumptions to begin with. Viruses have always been with us and make up 6% of our DNA origin.
There's this strange reductionist idea that "virus = bad" and thus we need to eradicate all of them. It is part of us. It is part of our evolution as a species.
Just as going crazy with anti-bacterial soaps and other products is nuts. It kills off the life-functional bacteria, not to mention how it creates superbugs. People want to chemotherapy everything with a scorched-earth policy based on oversimplified logic.
My fundamental problem with mandates is actually that they tend to backfire in Western countries. We've had research on this published in June, but nobody is paying attention:
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/25/e2104912118
Propaganda? Well, government-owned media, absolutely. Check anything with a .cn domain.
But in most cases media is a business. Its job is to make you read more and consume more things so people can sell you crap. That's it. It's not even propaganda.
If you understand those mechanics, everything aligns. Facebook is really no different and hardly new in that regard.
I think anyone who uses the phrase "end this pandemic" or the term "post-pandemic" has some flawed assumptions to begin with. Viruses have always been with us and make up 6% of our DNA origin.
There's this strange reductionist idea that "virus = bad" and thus we need to eradicate all of them. It is part of us. It is part of our evolution as a species.
Just as going crazy with anti-bacterial soaps and other products is nuts. It kills off the life-functional bacteria, not to mention how it creates superbugs. People want to chemotherapy everything with a scorched-earth policy based on oversimplified logic.
https://www.news18.com/news/india/s...-south-africa-amid-omicron-onset-4516712.html
Well, this is not good
Well, this is not good
I hope any drunk accidents or being obese ain’t going to hospital either. Actually any self-caused injuries, sport injuries etc. ain’t going there either. Buying a dog and needing a vet could be avoided, by not buying a dog. Any pet, step, beer, burger etc. are risk for our healthcare, so better stay home. Watching a TV is risk as well, physios and co. are fixing those type of people who are suffering from tight muscles and bad posture, so if you ain’t moving your body, don’t see a physio for your problems either. All those people are not supposed to fix your ego, your personal preference of living the life.
What was the point of health care and hospitals again?
What was the point of health care and hospitals again?
Months and months go by and I still haven’t heard a good reason not to get the vax. The heart issues folks cite are extremely rare and you have a better chance of actually dying from Covid.
My perspective as someone vaxxed and recovering from Covid: those unwilling to get the vax are only prolonging the pandemic. All of those I came into contact with while having the virus have tested negative, and that’s because they have the vax and those with the vax clearly are less likely to infect others. I can’t prove it, but I suspect I got it from someone that didn’t get the vax, just by logical reasoning and probability.
It’s one thing to not trust government. I don’t trust those fuckers either. But doctors and scientists? People that have worked their entire lives trying to help people? It’s a little insulting if you ask me.
My perspective as someone vaxxed and recovering from Covid: those unwilling to get the vax are only prolonging the pandemic. All of those I came into contact with while having the virus have tested negative, and that’s because they have the vax and those with the vax clearly are less likely to infect others. I can’t prove it, but I suspect I got it from someone that didn’t get the vax, just by logical reasoning and probability.
It’s one thing to not trust government. I don’t trust those fuckers either. But doctors and scientists? People that have worked their entire lives trying to help people? It’s a little insulting if you ask me.
There are multiple sources I see.
Some of them are political nut jobs. It’s just one more “screw you and your false gods” move we’ve been doing as a species for millennia.
But for another, I know a lot of people who carry heavy grievances against those who believe their whimsical fantasies only affect themselves. That if people only did their part instead of indulging in fake news, we would be in far better shape with lower transmission, fewer mutations, and lower risks of societal flare-ups and freak-out closure measures by now.
Some of them are political nut jobs. It’s just one more “screw you and your false gods” move we’ve been doing as a species for millennia.
But for another, I know a lot of people who carry heavy grievances against those who believe their whimsical fantasies only affect themselves. That if people only did their part instead of indulging in fake news, we would be in far better shape with lower transmission, fewer mutations, and lower risks of societal flare-ups and freak-out closure measures by now.
A quote from a person from SA
Also S.African official says children sick with COVID-19 have mild infections
And contrary to @swag opinion that vaccination will slow the virus - Omicron is infecting vaccinated and previously infected people without a problem. The very good news is that cases are mild so far - feeling a bad hungover for a day or two with itchy throat.
Also S.African official says children sick with COVID-19 have mild infections
And contrary to @swag opinion that vaccination will slow the virus - Omicron is infecting vaccinated and previously infected people without a problem. The very good news is that cases are mild so far - feeling a bad hungover for a day or two with itchy throat.
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Except that’s not contrary. Contrary would be that unvaccinated people have fewer incidents of symptoms relative to vaccinated people. A big factor in what overtaxes the health care system.
Still contrary, but less so, would be to extend the efficacy of vaccines to include infection and transmission. In which case contrary would mean that unvaccinated people have less infection and spread than those vaccinated.
Otherwise, yes, vaccine proliferation dampens it.
Still contrary, but less so, would be to extend the efficacy of vaccines to include infection and transmission. In which case contrary would mean that unvaccinated people have less infection and spread than those vaccinated.
Otherwise, yes, vaccine proliferation dampens it.
It's early data but this shows that previously infected people are more likely to get the Omicron - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2.full.pdf
among 2,796,982 individuals with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2, who had a positive test result at least 90 days prior to 27th November 2021.
35,670 individuals with at least two infections
332 individuals with third infections
1 individual with four infections
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The relative hazard ratio for wave 2 versus wave 1 was 0.75
The relative hazard ratio for wave 3 versus wave 1 was 0.71
Relative hazard ratio for the period from 01 November 2021 to 27 November 2021
The relative hazard ratio for wave 4 versus wave 1 was 2.39
This means that in the second wave there was a 75% chance to get reinfected and with Omicron the chance is 239% to get reinfected
among 2,796,982 individuals with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2, who had a positive test result at least 90 days prior to 27th November 2021.
35,670 individuals with at least two infections
332 individuals with third infections
1 individual with four infections
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The relative hazard ratio for wave 2 versus wave 1 was 0.75
The relative hazard ratio for wave 3 versus wave 1 was 0.71
Relative hazard ratio for the period from 01 November 2021 to 27 November 2021
The relative hazard ratio for wave 4 versus wave 1 was 2.39
This means that in the second wave there was a 75% chance to get reinfected and with Omicron the chance is 239% to get reinfected
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