Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (62 Viewers)

[kao_ray]

We hoping for Omicron to become the dominating variant or nah?

It will, no matter what we want

 

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[Dostoevsky]

We hoping for Omicron to become the dominating variant or nah?

People wanted that for Delta and hoped for immunity. This won't change anything. Again.

 

[kao_ray]

People wanted that for Delta and hoped for immunity. This won't change anything. Again.

It's early but it looks like this variant will make the virus very mild. All the four coronaviruses that previously circulated in the population are infecting people from time to time but all of them are extremely mild. Maybe Omicron will make Covid the fifth non-threatening coronavirus in circulation. So far it looks promising.

We'll be more certain in 2-3 weeks time though.

And Delta looked like a nightmare - more transmissible and more severe than the previous variant.

 

[swag]

It's early data but this shows that previously infected people are more likely to get the Omicron - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2.full.pdf

among 2,796,982 individuals with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2, who had a positive test result at least 90 days prior to 27th November 2021.

35,670 individuals with at least two infections

332 individuals with third infections

1 individual with four infections

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The relative hazard ratio for wave 2 versus wave 1 was 0.75

The relative hazard ratio for wave 3 versus wave 1 was 0.71

Relative hazard ratio for the period from 01 November 2021 to 27 November 2021

The relative hazard ratio for wave 4 versus wave 1 was 2.39

This means that in the second wave there was a 75% chance to get reinfected and with Omicron the chance is 239% to get reinfected

If anything, that's more of a challenge to the presumed value of natural immunity.

We hoping for Omicron to become the dominating variant or nah?

Omicron = honey badger, and I don't care either.

Life always evolves. It is what it is in living systems.

 

[kao_ray]

If anything, that's more of a challenge to the presumed value of natural immunity.



Omicron = honey badger, and I don't care either.

Life always evolves. It is what it is in living systems.

We'll see. I'm ready to bet that your opinion that vaccines will play a major role in stopping infections and severe cases with Omicron is wrong. And I'm sure we'll both get this variant even if we are both vaccinated. But only time will tell.

 

[swag]

We'll see. I'm ready to bet that your opinion that vaccines will play a major role in stopping infections and severe cases with Omicron is wrong. And I'm sure we'll both get this variant even if we are both vaccinated. But only time will tell.

The future can only tell for sure, but I haven't seen anything yet that convinces me that omicron changes the game any on existing strategies. Seems like more of the same -- with maybe the occasional potential wrinkle like a higher susceptibility among younger people.

Perhaps the difference between you and I here is you will believe something in the absence of information whereas I need some sense of random proof that there's a there there.

 

[kao_ray]

Perhaps the difference between you and I here is you will believe something in the absence of information whereas I need some sense of random proof that there's a there there.

Nah, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Omicron is milder and much more infectious than Delta. Maybe you are too short-sighted. For example - you don't see benefit in Vitamin D supplementation. That's incredibly short-sighted.

 

[swag]

Nah, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Omicron is milder and much more infectious than Delta. Maybe you are too short-sighted. For example - you don't see benefit in Vitamin D supplementation. That's incredibly short-sighted.

But there are leaps of assumptions to go from "more infectious" -> "more infectious and more strongly evades existing vaccinations" -> "you and I will get it, vaccines or not".

Yeah, the vitamin D freak-out has its legitimate advocates. I've had a doctor who has put me on D supplements since a decade ago. But to be honest, I would rather get sunshine in Portugal than take pills to compensate for our indoor lifestyles. But it's a small cost in my mind, whether I believe it's adding much value to me or not.

But in general, yeah, across the board the vitamins and health supplements industry are as greedy and lying as big pharma.

 

[lgorTudor]

But there are leaps of assumptions to go from "more infectious" -> "more infectious and more strongly evades existing vaccinations" -> "you and I will get it, vaccines or not".

Yeah, the vitamin D freak-out has its legitimate advocates. I've had a doctor who has put me on D supplements since a decade ago. But to be honest, I would rather get sunshine in Portugal than take pills to compensate for our indoor lifestyles. But it's a small cost in my mind, whether I believe it's adding much value to me or not.

But in general, yeah, across the board the vitamins and health supplements industry are as greedy and lying as big pharma.

Did they send a memo to all NPCs? Vaccine good Vitamin bad? @ALC can you confirm?

Luckily, the free thinking reasonable vitamin enjoyers are leaving you the choice

 

[swag]

Did they send a memo to all NPCs? Vaccine good Vitamin bad? @ALC can you confirm?

Luckily, the free thinking reasonable vitamin enjoyers are leaving you the choice

I was never vitamin bad. Always vitamin unnecessary — i.e., one man’s health optimization myth is another man’s cash cow.

But I have taken a lot of D every other day for years on a doctor’s suggestion. And when I had a freak incident earlier this year when my lower legs pretty much stopped working overnight, the vitamin B complex my Portudoc prescribed along with my forced march self-imposed physical therapy got me back to normal.

 

[ALC]

Did they send a memo to all NPCs? Vaccine good Vitamin bad? @ALC can you confirm?

Luckily, the free thinking reasonable vitamin enjoyers are leaving you the choice

wtf is an NPC?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Months and months go by and I still haven’t heard a good reason not to get the vax. The heart issues folks cite are extremely rare and you have a better chance of actually dying from Covid.

My perspective as someone vaxxed and recovering from Covid: those unwilling to get the vax are only prolonging the pandemic. All of those I came into contact with while having the virus have tested negative, and that’s because they have the vax and those with the vax clearly are less likely to infect others. I can’t prove it, but I suspect I got it from someone that didn’t get the vax, just by logical reasoning and probability.

It’s one thing to not trust government. I don’t trust those fuckers either. But doctors and scientists? People that have worked their entire lives trying to help people? It’s a little insulting if you ask me.

There are multiple sources I see.

Some of them are political nut jobs. It’s just one more “screw you and your false gods” move we’ve been doing as a species for millennia.

But for another, I know a lot of people who carry heavy grievances against those who believe their whimsical fantasies only affect themselves. That if people only did their part instead of indulging in fake news, we would be in far better shape with lower transmission, fewer mutations, and lower risks of societal flare-ups and freak-out closure measures by now.

Alright, my good fellows, I hear you. We should all trust the scientists and doctors and do what's for the greater good.

I can't argue with that. Let's just hope the scientists and doctors get it right on this particular issue because trust can't afford to be any lower.

 

[swag]

wtf is an NPC?

Non-Practicing Catholic.

Like Pope Francis

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Did they send a memo to all NPCs? Vaccine good Vitamin bad? @ALC can you confirm?

Luckily, the free thinking reasonable vitamin enjoyers are leaving you the choice

Nadia Comaneci level gymnastics

 

[Post Ironic]

wtf is an NPC?

lgor exposing himself for the basement dwelling incel we all suspected he is.

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But there are leaps of assumptions to go from "more infectious" -> "more infectious and more strongly evades existing vaccinations" -> "you and I will get it, vaccines or not".

Yeah, the vitamin D freak-out has its legitimate advocates. I've had a doctor who has put me on D supplements since a decade ago. But to be honest, I would rather get sunshine in Portugal than take pills to compensate for our indoor lifestyles. But it's a small cost in my mind, whether I believe it's adding much value to me or not.

But in general, yeah, across the board the vitamins and health supplements industry are as greedy and lying as big pharma.

I linked am article with all sorts of studies on this before but vitamin D is likely the most important vitamin supplement for people in northern climes. You don’t get vitamin D from the sunshine in winter way up North. And there are all sorts studies showing just how important it is. Some of the original were Eastern European/Soviet bloc studies on athletes during their dominant period. Most current sport science and performance nutrition is heavily indebted to the Soviet bloc from the 50s-80s. But that’s besides the point l, those studies have mostly been replicated in the west now, along with others based upon general populace. If you are living in an area with low winter sunshine levels. Heavy vitamin d supplementation is absolutely necessary.

 

[swag]

lgor exposing himself for the basement dwelling incel we all suspected he is.

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I linked am article with all sorts of studies on this before but vitamin D is likely the most important vitamin supplement for people in northern climes. You don’t get vitamin D from the sunshine in winter way up North. And there are all sorts studies showing just how important it is. Some of the original were Eastern European/Soviet bloc studies on athletes during their dominant period. Most current sport science and performance nutrition is heavily indebted to the Soviet bloc from the 50s-80s. But that’s besides the point l, those studies have mostly been replicated in the west now, along with others based upon general populace. If you are living in an area with low winter sunshine levels. Heavy vitamin d supplementation is absolutely necessary.

But if I may, wouldn’t that at least contribute to lifespans in the far north that would be diminished relative to sunnier climes? That could be buried among so many other factors, but given that the opposite is generally true I have to question if we’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

Vitamin D deficiency isn’t a leading cause of death in Ny-Ålesund. So what gives there?

There’s also a reason humans evolved into whiteys up north.

 

[Snobist]

In Italy it’s obligated to work with a Green Pass from the 15th of this month. Who doesnt take the vaccine, is obligated to take a test every few days and pay for it.

Basically you’ve lost the integrity of your own body there. Some of my family members took the vaccine now, because they simple don’t have a choice. Testing a few times a week consumes to much of their salaries.

Isn’t this violation of human rights?
The biggest hypocrisy is that those who always push their other agendas their arguments are on ‘the human rights’ are the ones who want to ban from every activity those who refuse to jab their body.

 

[Post Ironic]

But if I may, wouldn’t that at least contribute to lifespans in the far north that would be diminished relative to sunnier climes? That could be buried among so many other factors, but given that the opposite is generally true I have to question if we’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

Vitamin D deficiency isn’t a leading cause of death in Ny-Ålesund. So what gives there?

There’s also a reason humans evolved into whiteys up north.

Far northern coastal climes historically have eaten huge amounts of fish, fish oils, seal and whale blubber, etc which are filled with vitamin D. So there are ways to get it through diet, just not many people want to eat that sort of diet.



Also this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3417586/

If you are talking primarily about Scandis, I don’t know. Perhaps vitamin d is commonly supplemented. We’d have to know such things. But inadequate vitamin D levels does seem to lead to higher all cause mortality.

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/105/10/e3606/5867168

And then there is the question of whether longevity is the only goal here? High Vitamin D levels has been shown to have massive performance benefits for athletic performance.

 

[kao_ray]

But to be honest, I would rather get sunshine in Portugal than take pills to compensate for our indoor lifestyles.

Portugal is such an awesome country. I'm so envious. It's a small place but with huge history, warm climate, next to the ocean, beautiful cities and nature, great cuisine... You are lucky. Being in a small country is such a blessing because the larger the state - the smaller the person. And Portugal is one of the bestestest small countries in the world.

 

[Seven]

Isn’t this violation of human rights?
The biggest hypocrisy is that those who always push their other agendas their arguments are on ‘the human rights’ are the ones who want to ban from every activity those who refuse to jab their body.

Human rights are never absolute and always up for debate. With regards to mandatory vaccination it is a very complicated debate. What if your right to physical integrity harms others? What about their rights?

Keep in mind too that we are pretty much beyond the experimental stage now as well.

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