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[DAiDEViL]

The non vaccinated covid patient vs the car accident victim. Hospital legal teams must be praying the day that decision gets made never happens.

The case that is more urgent? Should be a simple decision to make.

The fat guy with diabetes and serious heartproblems directly caused by eating trash all his life vs. the car accident victim?

The smoker with a shot lung vs. the car accident victim.

The heavy drinker with a fucked up liver vs. the car accident victim.

If people say decisions must have consequences I'm all for it. But then please be kind enough to apply that to all diseases which can be directly tied to lifestyle/personal choices.

 

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[Ronn]

Obamacare death panels

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Keep an eye on the state of Arkansas, we’re about to find out!

This was from 2 days ago. Some folks here might be called into consultation soon

 

[Enron]

The case that is more urgent? Should be a simple decision to make.

The fat guy with diabetes and serious heartproblems directly caused by eating trash all his life vs. the car accident victim?

The smoker with a shot lung vs. the car accident victim.

The heavy drinker with a fucked up liver vs. the car accident victim.

If people say decisions must have consequences I'm all for it. But then please be kind enough to apply that to all diseases which can be directly tied to lifestyle/personal choices.

Oh absolutely, I’m more interested in the legal outcomes. Emotional litigation in US court rooms is something.

 

[lgorTudor]

Be me - skinny, cleanlung, youngliver

Pay tens of thousands of € from my pocket for fat, tarlung and cirrhosisliver treatment

Decide against jab that has a microscopic chance of causing harm. NO VENT FOR YOU

 

[swag]

The case that is more urgent? Should be a simple decision to make.

The fat guy with diabetes and serious heartproblems directly caused by eating trash all his life vs. the car accident victim?

The smoker with a shot lung vs. the car accident victim.

The heavy drinker with a fucked up liver vs. the car accident victim.

If people say decisions must have consequences I'm all for it. But then please be kind enough to apply that to all diseases which can be directly tied to lifestyle/personal choices.

Who has the deeper pockets, is the answer.

Obamacare death panels

I know it's marketing, but I like death panels. Health care is not an infinite resource. Not everyone should be entitled to a liver transplant.

There absolutely need to be limits where we go, "Yeah, you're on your own with that Martian anal cancer."

 

[Enron]

Be me - skinny, cleanlung, youngliver

Pay tens of thousands of € from my pocket for fat, tarlung and cirrhosisliver treatment

Decide against jab that has a microscopic chance of real harm. NO VENT FOR YOU

I think it’s different if you’re a fit, healthy Adonis with a mind like a steel trap such as yourself and you decide get vaccinated.

If you’re not, then I think it’s a bad decision that can have actual negative consequences for people other than yourself.

But I also believe in a mans right to live or die as he wishes.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Who has the deeper pockets, is the answer.

The state should probably let the rich die so that they can get that juicy inheritance tax money.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Good idea.

If people say decisions must have consequences I'm all for it. But then please be kind enough to apply that to all diseases which can be directly tied to lifestyle/personal choices.

Wait, wait, wait.
Are we actually agreeing on something on this topic now?

I'm sorry but that just doesn't feel right. I'm going to have to do something about that.

Keep an eye on the state of Arkansas, we’re about to find out!

Something to look forward to.

 

[swag]

The state should probably let the rich die so that they can get that juicy inheritance tax money.

Not without jacking up the death tax, yo.

 

[Ronn]

The state should probably let the rich die so that they can get that juicy inheritance tax money.

Politicians thinking of public money instead of themselves? Never.

 

[ALC]

The case that is more urgent? Should be a simple decision to make.

The fat guy with diabetes and serious heartproblems directly caused by eating trash all his life vs. the car accident victim?

The smoker with a shot lung vs. the car accident victim.

The heavy drinker with a fucked up liver vs. the car accident victim.

If people say decisions must have consequences I'm all for it. But then please be kind enough to apply that to all diseases which can be directly tied to lifestyle/personal choices.

this is full of whataboutism.

anyways, last I checked those people you mentioned weren’t overrunning hospitals and taking up all the ICU beds.

 

[Bjerknes]

I honestly like Stanford U's take of weekly testing regardless of vaccinated status. It makes more sense.

Yes, daily would be more accurate. But there's a cost/inconvenience/risk ratio that has to be danced around.



That's you. There are people who need 100% to feel like they can leave their basements again.



Triage will have to rear its ugly head though.



I used to think that. But now I think they play a role that we don't quite fully understand a lot of the times. Because if it were truly that simple of an answer, natural selection would have weeded that out of the population by now.

If reliable, easy to use, and cost effective/affordable tests were readily available, then sure, send everyone a kit and have them test daily. But I’m not doing that nasel swab shit, so better create a different type of test.

weekly testing is stupid, too. If I go out 7 days a week and breathe on everybody, maybe I reduce risk by a percentage factor, but the timing of it all allows for lapses and exposure. Plus I don’t feel like going to a test site once a week either.

I guess this is just another reason to get vaccinated. Because I don’t want to have to go through testing hoops to do anything when I’ve already been vaccinated and I’m not in any risk group. This is another way of socializing the stupidity when people need to just make their own decision. Or die!

 

[Enron]

If reliable, easy to use, and cost effective/affordable tests were readily available, then sure, send everyone a kit and have them test daily. But I’m not doing that nasel swab shit, so better create a different type of test.

weekly testing is stupid, too. If I go out 7 days a week and breathe on everybody, maybe I reduce risk by a percentage factor, but the timing of it all allows for lapses and exposure. Plus I don’t feel like going to a test site once a week either.

I guess this is just another reason to get vaccinated. Because I don’t want to have to go through testing hoops to do anything when I’ve already been vaccinated and I’m not in any risk group. This is another way of socializing the stupidity when people need to just make their own decision. Or die!

I’ve been tested 5 times and never done a nasal swab, which third world country did you move to?

 

[Bjerknes]

I’ve been tested 5 times and never done a nasal swab, which third world country did you move to?

Same one I’ve lived in the past several years.

 

[icemaη]

I’ve been tested 5 times and never done a nasal swab, which third world country did you move to?

You live in China?

 

[Enron]

You live in China?

Utah, we just spit in a vial. Anal swabs are only for naughty boyz.

 

[icemaη]

Utah, we just spit in a vial. Anal swabs are only for naughty boyz.

That'd be so much easier. The spit in a vial that is.

 

[Enron]

That'd be so much easier. The spit in a vial that is.

Yeah, the University here has a top notch medical program so they just developed their own test. Figured a less invasive test for lead to more people being willing to get tested.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Then don't drink, don't do drugs, don't be fat, don't enjoy a single dollar of disposable income that could be saving people, don't even dare to drive or fly. In other words don't dare to be free. The societal cost is incurred no matter what people do. Fortunately in some countries there are unalienable rights that don't suffer the tyranny of the self-anointed.

I see this has already been discussed, but the below was what I would've been looking for next.

Yours is a loaded question, i don't have data on number of beds available, i also don't see vax as the determinant factor but rather immunity. But if we ever get to a point where hospitals are overwhelmed i believe in same protocol as war time, first come first serve, and after that who in the Doc's opinion has the higher chances of survival. Race and gender have nothing to do with it.

It doesn't need to get to this point though. SO FAR looking at some states, it seems like you could have both lower hospitalization numbers as well as everything open at the same time.

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Utah, we just spit in a vial. Anal swabs are only for naughty boyz.

We have this here as well, my brother works processing these tests from the hospital. He has been getting a lot more recently.

 

[swag]

That'd be so much easier. The spit in a vial that is.

I think San Francisco is piloting a spit in an anus test.