I'm just curious, and please don't take this like i am challenging your position, but at what point do you say enough? Like i am not listening to you anymore, I'll do what i think is best.
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If Covid started killing even like 2% of the entire population, I’d get the government making it mandatory. I wouldn’t necessarily agree that it should be forced on everyone, if people want to voluntarily remove themselves from the gene pool, so be it… but I’d understand making it mandatory if it was likely to kill 150 million people + around the world. But as long as its IFR is below 1% and below 0.1% for the sub-50 age group, there’s really no justification. It would be quite absurd.
But the fallacy is in thinking that the voice in the media is that of the best and brightest. Just look at Google for reference do you think your queries are objectively triaged to get you the most pertinent results? I'm afraid you can't defer responsability simply because there is no credibility imo
I think we are of a similar mindset on this stuff. Understand the reasoning, don’t necessarily agree with it. Trust the science, but that doesn’t mean every science “recommendation” must or even should be followed to the letter. There is more than just “the science” in this world. Some people forget that sometimes.
Covid Passover is real
Well, many people take a flu shot every year. How is that different?
Why mandatory? The flu is about 10x less deadly but now there’s less of a gap with the vaccines. How again is that different from a flu shot?
As a coworker once told me when my employer once offered flu shots one bad season, “I don’t need a flu shot. I take Muni.” (SF public transit)
Well, many people take a flu shot every year. How is that different?
Why mandatory? The flu is about 10x less deadly but now there’s less of a gap with the vaccines. How again is that different from a flu shot?
As a coworker once told me when my employer once offered flu shots one bad season, “I don’t need a flu shot. I take Muni.” (SF public transit)
There are "experts" on religion too, but why conflate fiction with reality? If Zach or X/Gordo were to tell me "x and y are the best lifts to build strength," would I be even close to a position to argue? No, that would be ridiculous as the evidence there are clear, but here we do it.
The two fields in which everyone thinks they know best is economics and medicine, but at least with economics you only have to hear about it every 4 years.
This is understandable. However if an individual or group of individuals are decorated experts in a field with years of experience, why should I assume that I could know more after reading some studies or articles over a few days? To me this places someone like the Head of Thoracic Surgery at New York-Presbyterian on the same level as some random housewife down the street peddling detox teas and essential oils because she's a #momblogger and therefore knows what's best for her kids.
Social media bubbles and search engine algorithms can be talked about for days, they are designed to generate clicks and keep people scrolling. Look out for improvements in machine learning and deep fakes in the future. Generative adversarial networks can already create some extremely realistic versions of almost anything, combine it all and you have potential for some really big problems. I said it before and to me this only gets reinforced by the day, fake news and the immediate distrust of official guidance/information is the greatest threat to this country going forward. But this is probably off topic anyway.
Go to a mechanic and not like what they said about your car? You get a second opinion. Dentist said you need 14 teeth removed? Second opinion. Doctor recommended open-heart surgery for some sniffles? Second opinion. But those second opinions are still going to be from someone else considered an expert in their field, no?
The two fields in which everyone thinks they know best is economics and medicine, but at least with economics you only have to hear about it every 4 years.
This is understandable. However if an individual or group of individuals are decorated experts in a field with years of experience, why should I assume that I could know more after reading some studies or articles over a few days? To me this places someone like the Head of Thoracic Surgery at New York-Presbyterian on the same level as some random housewife down the street peddling detox teas and essential oils because she's a #momblogger and therefore knows what's best for her kids.
Social media bubbles and search engine algorithms can be talked about for days, they are designed to generate clicks and keep people scrolling. Look out for improvements in machine learning and deep fakes in the future. Generative adversarial networks can already create some extremely realistic versions of almost anything, combine it all and you have potential for some really big problems. I said it before and to me this only gets reinforced by the day, fake news and the immediate distrust of official guidance/information is the greatest threat to this country going forward. But this is probably off topic anyway.
Go to a mechanic and not like what they said about your car? You get a second opinion. Dentist said you need 14 teeth removed? Second opinion. Doctor recommended open-heart surgery for some sniffles? Second opinion. But those second opinions are still going to be from someone else considered an expert in their field, no?
Covid Passover is real
Well, many people take a flu shot every year. How is that different?
Why mandatory? The flu is about 10x less deadly but now there’s less of a gap with the vaccines. How again is that different from a flu shot?
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Well, many people take a flu shot every year. How is that different?
Why mandatory? The flu is about 10x less deadly but now there’s less of a gap with the vaccines. How again is that different from a flu shot?
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I don’t believe it should be mandatory at all. Not unless this somehow mutates into a Spanish influenza style epidemic and then we’re all fucked anyways.
Assuming this goes the way of a seasonal virus, and Covid becomes less of a threat post-vaccinations and its spread around the world… Covid boosters are going to be serving the same purpose as seasonal flu shots. An attempt to protect the most vulnerable. Entirely unnecessary for the young and healthy.
It's a simple concept that gets applied all the time: if you are a (possible) threat to society, you are not allowed to participate in said society (for x amount of time).
Only differences being which specific threat you are talking about & which specific parts of society.
Just to be clear: I too dislike the idea of showing a covid certificate to be allowed to enter a specific location or attend a certain event, etc. I just don't see any alternatives for the time being. The main goal is clear: opening up society as much as possible for as many people as possible. (You could even say opening up society for everyone who wants to "participate".)
And what I dislike even more than the idea of a covid passport, is people not willing to accept the consequences of the decision they personally make. (In all aspects of life
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Only differences being which specific threat you are talking about & which specific parts of society.
Just to be clear: I too dislike the idea of showing a covid certificate to be allowed to enter a specific location or attend a certain event, etc. I just don't see any alternatives for the time being. The main goal is clear: opening up society as much as possible for as many people as possible. (You could even say opening up society for everyone who wants to "participate".)
And what I dislike even more than the idea of a covid passport, is people not willing to accept the consequences of the decision they personally make. (In all aspects of life
)