Considering the damage it can do to internal organs with people who have died from it, this seems bizarre.
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More on what I was saying yesterday:
So essentially there is a clear north-south divide with few exceptions - Liverpool escapes tier 3 because it has had its own very strict measures recently. Bristol area in tier 3, and one very bad area of Kent (Swale) and Medway has put the entire county in tier 3. Most of it is rural so people are also very annoyed there. Those tier 2 areas in the north (Cumbria and North Yorkshire) have low population density, they are mostly national parks, moorland and green belt. Only Cornwall and the Isle of Wight make tier 1.
To the working man it looks like Boris has sorted out the south and his cockney wanker mates so they can all have a better Christmas than us "northern monkeys" (even the Midlands is north for them).
Now you have this map, which shows infection swing during the ongoing national lockdown:
Oh look, the southeast with the only cases where it isn't going down. East Sussex (Brighton etc) with rising cases, but that is an affluent area where many Londoners live, so they can stay tier 2. And Redbridge is in London, but obviously there was no chance of Greater London being tier 3 because of one little area
MPs already talking about striking over these measures. It gets reviewed every two weeks, so don't be surprised if suddenly the map turns orange just before Christmas, because the Tories are taking a hammering over this.
The only thing I can suspect they were thinking is that they would do tougher measures for the first two weeks of December to try to negate some of the infection damage that will inevitably be done over Christmas. But what they should have done is extended the national lockdown until mid-December and then put everyone in tiers 2 or 1 where suitable, because this looks like a clear divide and bias.
So essentially there is a clear north-south divide with few exceptions - Liverpool escapes tier 3 because it has had its own very strict measures recently. Bristol area in tier 3, and one very bad area of Kent (Swale) and Medway has put the entire county in tier 3. Most of it is rural so people are also very annoyed there. Those tier 2 areas in the north (Cumbria and North Yorkshire) have low population density, they are mostly national parks, moorland and green belt. Only Cornwall and the Isle of Wight make tier 1.
To the working man it looks like Boris has sorted out the south and his cockney wanker mates so they can all have a better Christmas than us "northern monkeys" (even the Midlands is north for them).
Now you have this map, which shows infection swing during the ongoing national lockdown:
Oh look, the southeast with the only cases where it isn't going down. East Sussex (Brighton etc) with rising cases, but that is an affluent area where many Londoners live, so they can stay tier 2. And Redbridge is in London, but obviously there was no chance of Greater London being tier 3 because of one little area
MPs already talking about striking over these measures. It gets reviewed every two weeks, so don't be surprised if suddenly the map turns orange just before Christmas, because the Tories are taking a hammering over this.
The only thing I can suspect they were thinking is that they would do tougher measures for the first two weeks of December to try to negate some of the infection damage that will inevitably be done over Christmas. But what they should have done is extended the national lockdown until mid-December and then put everyone in tiers 2 or 1 where suitable, because this looks like a clear divide and bias.
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Although tier 2 restrictions are fairly relaxed, socially. Tier 3 isn't exactly the end of the world but for the most social time of the year it is very restrictive.
What I find funniest is that in tier 3 they have still kept health spa and gyms open. I understand the mental and physical health requirements for people but I can tell you that my gym is one of the places most likely to be spreading the virus.
Although tier 2 restrictions are fairly relaxed, socially. Tier 3 isn't exactly the end of the world but for the most social time of the year it is very restrictive.What I find funniest is that in tier 3 they have still kept health spa and gyms open. I understand the mental and physical health requirements for people but I can tell you that my gym is one of the places most likely to be spreading the virus.
Gyms and amateur sports/group excises sure are an infection driver which often gets overlooked since most infections are related to households mingling according to the data. I think that's due to contact tracing rather than science. It just seems the source is much easier to trace when 6 people meet up in the same house rather than a gym filled with multiple people throughout the day who are exhaling more and coughing. Over here we had a massive drop in cases 2 weeks after we banned amateur group sports (but for some reason individual sports are possible).
If the data isn't collected right, the infection drivers aren't to be found and the restrictions can't be good also imo.
If the data isn't collected right, the infection drivers aren't to be found and the restrictions can't be good also imo.
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Yeah, it will help to take extra precautions. Once vaccinated, a lot of people aren't going to think.
There's no study on what something like being overweight will do to COVID vaccines because the vaccines and data is so new. But if it's anything like other vaccines, there's a good chance its efficacy will be reduced with co-morbidities.
You mean you haven't looked up and seen the virus flying tiny airplanes??
Holiday season in Europe will be more January, unlike what the US will experience in two weeks.
The lulz
There's no study on what something like being overweight will do to COVID vaccines because the vaccines and data is so new. But if it's anything like other vaccines, there's a good chance its efficacy will be reduced with co-morbidities.
You mean you haven't looked up and seen the virus flying tiny airplanes??
Holiday season in Europe will be more January, unlike what the US will experience in two weeks.
The lulz
So it seems like the Oxford / Astrazenica vaccin isn't as effective as claimed. After re-analyzing the data it seems like it's 62% effective which sure makes it a different story. Right now they're going to research the data once again which means approval is delayed probably. I personally thought these >90% results were too good to be true to begin with. I won't be surprised if the Moderna or Sputnik V vaccines aren't really >90% effective either.
Didn't they say they would be happy if they are 50+ effective?
They made made vaccine of this type before. Claiming it's 90% without testing it for months is absurd. Nobody knows the side-effects. They are playing with a dangerous toy. Knowing that people are brain dead I assume 99% would take a vaccine without questioning anything.
They made made vaccine of this type before. Claiming it's 90% without testing it for months is absurd. Nobody knows the side-effects. They are playing with a dangerous toy. Knowing that people are brain dead I assume 99% would take a vaccine without questioning anything.
The American FDA does I think, no idea about the EU standards. But 50 or even 60% efficacy is a big fugazzi to me as it means the disease won't be close to eradicated anytime soon and measures can't be eased that much as at the very least 40% of the people are still susceptible to Covid which is still billions of people throughout the world.
I'm also pretty sure if you mass vaccinate a population there is a likeliness of it being less effective than the test group as higher risk profiles and people with immune disorders aren't that well represented in clinical trials.
I'm also pretty sure if you mass vaccinate a population there is a likeliness of it being less effective than the test group as higher risk profiles and people with immune disorders aren't that well represented in clinical trials.
I don't think we'll ever see it disappear completely. It will just turn into another seasonal flu and I'd say people should learn to cope with it for a long, long time. In other words, I think we're pretty fucked up because I don't think we'll see "clear" years like we used to.
Oh and we're on the edge of hitting 8000 positive cases per day. I think we're one of the worst countries in Europe surely because when you consider population it's worse than what happened in Italy and Spain.
EDIT: I'm not talking about deaths but the system overload.
Oh and we're on the edge of hitting 8000 positive cases per day. I think we're one of the worst countries in Europe surely because when you consider population it's worse than what happened in Italy and Spain.
EDIT: I'm not talking about deaths but the system overload.
I'm no anti vaxxar by any means but choosing between a vaccine that is 50-60% effective where the long term side effects are unknown of or having the possibility between catching a viral disease which I have a 99,8% chance of surviving through (probably even higher as I'm well below my 30's and underweight) is a tough decision to make.
Oh so you named one. There were some others as well. But truth is viruses stay around. Probably 90% of them.
Seeing this one spread so easily do you really think we'll have all countries down their numbers to 0? It all began with 1 person and here we are. Countries can't fight it and people rely on vaccines that were done by gene editing for the first time and weren't properly tested. That's a great, great plan
Seeing this one spread so easily do you really think we'll have all countries down their numbers to 0? It all began with 1 person and here we are. Countries can't fight it and people rely on vaccines that were done by gene editing for the first time and weren't properly tested. That's a great, great plan
Oh so you named one. There were some others as well. But truth is viruses stay around. Probably 90% of them.
Seeing this one spread so easily do you really think we'll have all countries down their numbers to 0? It all began with 1 person and here we are. Countries can't fight it and people rely on vaccines that were done by gene editing for the first time and weren't properly tested. That's a great, great plan
Seeing this one spread so easily do you really think we'll have all countries down their numbers to 0? It all began with 1 person and here we are. Countries can't fight it and people rely on vaccines that were done by gene editing for the first time and weren't properly tested. That's a great, great plan